Anonymous wrote:At my volleyball-playing daughter's high school, it's the lacrosse girls who are the mean girls.

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Anonymous wrote:What a sexist thread.

Calling bullies out isn’t sexist.

OP here. I am female, and for the record, I was a D1 athlete.

But no one enters middle and high school sports at a very high level. That comes later -- or doesn't. And along the way, there are social elements that are factors in the development of the kids I am raising.

So I am curious who is attracted to the sport. We'll move before my kids start high school most likely and frankly, I don't need to nurture a sport that is known to be mean girl sport all else equal.

Also, I know very little about volleyball, but I do think there may be a truism for whatever reason that certain sports attract on certain personality types, and that sports can also have an impact on who you are

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is great at it. I feel silly even typing this out, but my older daughter was saying that "everyone knows" that the girls who play volleyball are "mean girls." I mostly rolled my eyes but a friend in another area said it's the same in their area. Is that really true?

It kind of is, not to say that all the girls on a team are mean girls, but just that mean girls gravitate toward it, much like cheer. Look at the outfits for volleyball and cheer compared to other girls' sports (except swim) and you will see why it attracts a certain type. Other girls' sports do not have such sexualized outfits. Most of what makes a "mean girl" mean is a desire to fight over the attention of boys.

Are you serious with saying volleyball uniforms are sexualized because of the shorts? Give me a break. So what about cross country and track and field? Are those uniforms sexualized, too? Not everything is, you know. Sometimes a uniform is just a uniform and shorts are short because they are easier to move in.

FWIW the girls I know playing volleyball are not mean girls. Please understand that there are at least some mean girls in every sport.

Basketball and soccer have more movement than volleyball and their uniforms are not the slightest bit sexual. Vb uniforms are way too tight and revealing for minors. If you wore a vb uniform to play bb, you would be sent to the locker room to change. Vb as a sport has a distinct culture around it and it is reflected in the uniform.

Tell me more about the distinct culture that is reflected in the uniforms. WTAF..stop sexualizing everything!

Anonymous wrote:I feel like only girls that feel on the periphery of some made of social hierarchy they want to be part of call other girls “mean girls”

Girls that are confident in themselves and have independent thought don’t feel the need to tear others down

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a sport that tends to attract the popular girls, which will tend to be a little more mean girl than the nerds for sure.

I think this is because it’s a sport that doesn’t start young unlike almost all others. Most girls I know started in 4/5th or middle school. They join at that age bc their friends are doing it, so it tends to be a kid who is socially motivated.

+1 It’s also a non-contact sport, and prissy girls are often the mean girls.

What an ignorant comment. When you’re playing travel it’s very intense. Have you seen how the girls dive and run into each other? Never mind. I bet your kid does band/theater.

NP here who thinks this thread is insane but perhaps explains where teens get their ugly biases from...
You are calling someone ignorant while simultaneously maligning band/theatre?
My kid is the captain of her lacrosse team as well as always a lead in the musical. She's also very nice and tries to mentor the younger kids in sports and especially theatre.

People are complex. Especially growing CHILDREN. A lot of you need to take a look in the mirror. You are teaching your kids to be judgmental and critical. Then you throw up your hands and say, what is the world coming to!?

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Anonymous wrote:We can all agree that men’s lacrosse breeds trash men who abuse and assault woman.

Yes but why? It’s literally been like this since at least 1989 (based on my personal experience). I’ve lived all over the country and been involved in lacrosse as a volunteer or player for every decade in inner-city programs, west coast backwaters, and private school powerhouses since then and men’s lacrosse has never changed.

I don’t get how its culture is perpetuated across time, geography and income.

Back to volleyball: other girl’s sports are meaner and the players are not playing a “finesse sport” or “hardly breaking a sweat”. Go to a Big 10 game at Maryland before the season ends- it is so intense and fun to watch. And college teams have a great mix of body types and personalities.

I’ve always wondered this too. Is there some bro pledge every lacrosse player in the country is required to sign? On the flip side, I’ve never heard of a cross-country team anywhere populated by mean kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a sport that tends to attract the popular girls, which will tend to be a little more mean girl than the nerds for sure.

I think this is because it’s a sport that doesn’t start young unlike almost all others. Most girls I know started in 4/5th or middle school. They join at that age bc their friends are doing it, so it tends to be a kid who is socially motivated.

+1 It’s also a non-contact sport, and prissy girls are often the mean girls.

What an ignorant comment. When you’re playing travel it’s very intense. Have you seen how the girls dive and run into each other? Never mind. I bet your kid does band/theater.

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T my big three it was lacrosse and field hockey. They all loved wearing their short purple skirts to school on game day. Like cheerleaders.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's just their competitive nature being misunderstood.

Exactly. Athletic girls tend to have more confidence and take less crap than others.

That would be my dd. She’s at a ballet school that’s tough to get into and they tend to feel a little bit superior to girls who kick a ball around. My other dd plays basketball in middle school and has no attitudes either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Which team are the a-hole boys in? And are wrestling uniforms sexualized? Sounds like some of you on this thread are the mean girls.

Lacrosse but it depends on the school

+1 million, doesn’t depend on school, is universal

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a sport that tends to attract the popular girls, which will tend to be a little more mean girl than the nerds for sure.

I think this is because it’s a sport that doesn’t start young unlike almost all others. Most girls I know started in 4/5th or middle school. They join at that age bc their friends are doing it, so it tends to be a kid who is socially motivated.

+1 It’s also a non-contact sport, and prissy girls are often the mean girls.

What an ignorant comment. When you’re playing travel it’s very intense. Have you seen how the girls dive and run into each other? Never mind. I bet your kid does band/theater.

NP here who thinks this thread is insane but perhaps explains where teens get their ugly biases from...
You are calling someone ignorant while simultaneously maligning band/theatre?
My kid is the captain of her lacrosse team as well as always a lead in the musical. She's also very nice and tries to mentor the younger kids in sports and especially theatre.

People are complex. Especially growing CHILDREN. A lot of you need to take a look in the mirror. You are teaching your kids to be judgmental and critical. Then you throw up your hands and say, what is the world coming to!?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's just their competitive nature being misunderstood.

Exactly. Athletic girls tend to have more confidence and take less crap than others.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a sport that tends to attract the popular girls, which will tend to be a little more mean girl than the nerds for sure.

I think this is because it’s a sport that doesn’t start young unlike almost all others. Most girls I know started in 4/5th or middle school. They join at that age bc their friends are doing it, so it tends to be a kid who is socially motivated.

+1 It’s also a non-contact sport, and prissy girls are often the mean girls.

What an ignorant comment. When you’re playing travel it’s very intense. Have you seen how the girls dive and run into each other? Never mind. I bet your kid does band/theater.