Anonymous
10/17/2023 18:32
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:
UVA
W&M
VA Tech
White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).
I know these are reach schools btw.
Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.
He will be competitive at all of them.
What do you base this on?
Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.
UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.
My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.
Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.
VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.
I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.
Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..
PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??
Not sure.. Other schools have stepped up.. UMD and NorthEastern gave my kid enough money to make the cost come down to about the same as UVA, Purdue doesn't cost that much more that VA instate, etc. and all of these are decidedly better schools that Tech.(saying that as a Tech alum). Tech's priorities seem to be different.
Purdue is ranked 43. UMD is 46. Northeastern is 53. VT is ranked 47. But do go on!
DP: VT went up in the 2024 rankings because of its focus on accepting students with Pell Grants (they accepted 100% of Pell Grant applicants to engineering for instance--look at their institutional data). This helped them move up in the rankings, but doesn't mean they have improved as an educational institution. I personally think it's great that they are focused on First generation/Pell grant students--but that does mean there will be less resources available for highly qualified other students. I also don't think having more Pell Grant students should be a factor in the USNWR or other ratings.
Pell Grants make up only 3% of the USNWR ranking criteria. This outsized emphasis you and others on DCUM are putting on it is absurd. VT is an excellent school and is ranked appropriately.
Given that the differences between ranks are often based on hundredths and tenths of points, 3% has an outsized effect -- as you can see in the changes in results. Look at the actual numbers. VT is a fine school--but that is how it moved up the ranks. Analyze the numbers and you will see.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 18:29
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:
UVA
W&M
VA Tech
White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).
I know these are reach schools btw.
Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.
He will be competitive at all of them.
What do you base this on?
Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.
UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.
My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.
Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.
VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.
I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.
Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..
PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??
Not sure.. Other schools have stepped up.. UMD and NorthEastern gave my kid enough money to make the cost come down to about the same as UVA, Purdue doesn't cost that much more that VA instate, etc. and all of these are decidedly better schools that Tech.(saying that as a Tech alum). Tech's priorities seem to be different.
Purdue is ranked 43. UMD is 46. Northeastern is 53. VT is ranked 47. But do go on!
DP: VT went up in the 2024 rankings because of its focus on accepting students with Pell Grants (they accepted 100% of Pell Grant applicants to engineering for instance--look at their institutional data). This helped them move up in the rankings, but doesn't mean they have improved as an educational institution. I personally think it's great that they are focused on First generation/Pell grant students--but that does mean there will be less resources available for highly qualified other students. I also don't think having more Pell Grant students should be a factor in the USNWR or other ratings.
Pell Grants make up only 3% of the USNWR ranking criteria. This outsized emphasis you and others on DCUM are putting on it is absurd. VT is an excellent school and is ranked appropriately.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 17:39
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:The fact that kids have to stress over this kind of question is one more illustration that the system is broken. This kid's score is good enough for any of these schools, but now its a game about whether the college will ding him if they feel like it will pull down the average they want to report (as opposed to the average they actually have in the freshman class). They will admit kids with this score and lower, but a lot of them won't be reported, and no one knows where the line is drawn for submitting.
This university image game should not be a problem universities put on the shoulders of the kids.
+1, especially for in state students
Anonymous
10/17/2023 17:12
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.
I read that on that Facebook group.
The student is applying to engineering and they have a 700 in math, 780 in English. That is why she said not to submit.
Yeah but there’s a lot more propaganda value to an out of context “1480 isn’t good enough for UMD anymore!!!! It’s a state school!!!! World gone crazy!!!!”
Versus an in-context “700 Math is on the low side for the elite super competitive Engineering program at UMD which is on par with other top STEM schools, reconsider submitting that.”
I’m the one who wrote it and even in context I think it sounds crazy.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 17:04
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
I need to see this Facebook. Somebidy is either lying or about to be fired
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:37
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:
UVA
W&M
VA Tech
White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).
I know these are reach schools btw.
Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.
He will be competitive at all of them.
What do you base this on?
Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.
UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.
My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.
Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.
VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.
I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.
Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..
PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??
Not sure.. Other schools have stepped up.. UMD and NorthEastern gave my kid enough money to make the cost come down to about the same as UVA, Purdue doesn't cost that much more that VA instate, etc. and all of these are decidedly better schools that Tech.(saying that as a Tech alum). Tech's priorities seem to be different.
Purdue is ranked 43. UMD is 46. Northeastern is 53. VT is ranked 47. But do go on!
DP: VT went up in the 2024 rankings because of its focus on accepting students with Pell Grants (they accepted 100% of Pell Grant applicants to engineering for instance--look at their institutional data). This helped them move up in the rankings, but doesn't mean they have improved as an educational institution. I personally think it's great that they are focused on First generation/Pell grant students--but that does mean there will be less resources available for highly qualified other students. I also don't think having more Pell Grant students should be a factor in the USNWR or other ratings.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:36
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Facebook link?
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:29
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.
I read that on that Facebook group.
The student is applying to engineering and they have a 700 in math, 780 in English. That is why she said not to submit.
Yeah but there’s a lot more propaganda value to an out of context “1480 isn’t good enough for UMD anymore!!!! It’s a state school!!!! World gone crazy!!!!”
Versus an in-context “700 Math is on the low side for the elite super competitive Engineering program at UMD which is on par with other top STEM schools, reconsider submitting that.”
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:25
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.
Link to the group, please. Thank-you.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:19
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.
Everyone is Northeastern now. T50 schools are going to game their stats as much as they can.
The actual important number on the CDS is how many students are actually submitting scores at all.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:06
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:
UVA
W&M
VA Tech
White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).
I know these are reach schools btw.
Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.
He will be competitive at all of them.
What do you base this on?
Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.
UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.
My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.
Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.
VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.
I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.
Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..
PP, yep. Wonder if that will now change since they got rid of ED??
Not sure.. Other schools have stepped up.. UMD and NorthEastern gave my kid enough money to make the cost come down to about the same as UVA, Purdue doesn't cost that much more that VA instate, etc. and all of these are decidedly better schools that Tech.(saying that as a Tech alum). Tech's priorities seem to be different.
Purdue is ranked 43. UMD is 46. Northeastern is 53. VT is ranked 47. But do go on!
Anonymous
10/17/2023 16:02
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Would you submit SAT for the following schools:
UVA
W&M
VA Tech
White male, Business major. (Pre business for uva).
I know these are reach schools btw.
Based on <50 percentile I would not, but 1380 is in the 92nd percentile overall and I don’t want them to think it’s like an 1100 if he doesnt submit.
He will be competitive at all of them.
What do you base this on?
Experience. Acceptances of my own two white kids, albeit from LCPS. Similar numbers.
UVA may depends on course rigor and other intangibles and how they construct class rank (I know FCPS doesn’t rank, but believe be the admissions offices do and UVa wants top 10%). Similar for W&M (although why W&M for business?). VT the supplementals matter but the numbers are a stronger fit. Demonstrated interest with admissions counselor assigned to VT also helps.
My two were 3-for-3 with these schools with 1420 and 1150 and 4.66 and 3.98 weighted, respectively.
Hi - Can you elaborate on this? I thought VT doesn't care about demonstrated interest.
VT says demonstrated interest does not count. The kids applying to VT from DS's high school would fill their auditorium - I don't think the VT regional admissions counselor was taking notes on attendance.
I say this with no data at my disposal, just an observation. This is the first admissions cycle in a while that ED is NOT part of the admissions process. You could argue that demonstrated interest was very important historically with ED and communications describing high stat kids being denied. There also appears to be a surprisingly small number of TJ kids attending considering its the "tech school" of Virginia. Tech will be very interesting.
Tech has routinely been rejecting high stats kids out of TJ to protect yield.. Kids that got into UVA, UMD, UIUC, Michigan, Purdue, Cornell, etc. Word spreads..
DP. Any actual facts or citations to back this up or just the usual opinions and anecdotes?
Anonymous
10/17/2023 15:02
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.
I read that on that Facebook group.
The student is applying to engineering and they have a 700 in math, 780 in English. That is why she said not to submit.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 15:00
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
Anonymous wrote:There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.
WOW.
Anonymous
10/17/2023 14:53
Subject: Sat 1380, gpa 4.07w in fcps
There is a UMD admissions officer on Facebook right now telling people not to submit a 1480 because it’s not competitive for their program. They say it’s better to submit nothing than submit a 1480, which is a score that is in the 99th percentile of test takers. This system is broken.