Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:43
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.
Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.
If someone were to say:
Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.
Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”
So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.
This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.
So, you have nothing to add in terms of policy reasons to vote for the GOP.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:42
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
The GOP’s current platform is that they have no platform. Not a joke.
False. They chose not to change their platform from the 2020 election which was literally fealty to Donald Trump. So that is their platform.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:35
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.
Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.
If someone were to say:
Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.
Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”
So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.
This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.
I call BS on this. Unless you are defining viability very early.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:34
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
I didn’t answer the question because I’m not voting Republican. But I can see why a true independent or moderate wouldn’t answer. It’s a disingenuous, borderline troll question. I don’t answer troll questions either.
I am a NP - and it doesn't sound disingenuous or borderline troll to me. I think Rs should be able to articulate a case for how they will make OP's life better. They obviously aren't suddenly going to become pro-choice environmentalists - it's not the 1970s, after all - but they should have an answer for any voter who asks: why should I, with my values and concerns, consider you?
The only reason NOT to have an answer is if your only issues are culture war grievances, and you don't actually believe you have anything to offer to anyone else. Which doesn't say much about the party. I think Ds would have an answer to that. Obviously we're not going to give a curious R us banning books, throwing gays back in the closet, and murdering drug dealers at the border - but we should have an answer, even to partisan Rs, about how we will make their lives better, if they want to know.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:30
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
I didn’t answer the question because I’m not voting Republican. But I can see why a true independent or moderate wouldn’t answer. It’s a disingenuous, borderline troll question. I don’t answer troll questions either.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:20
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Low taxes!
Anonymous
09/20/2023 14:04
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.
Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.
If someone were to say:
Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.
Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”
So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.
This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.
Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.
Once again, the above post wasn’t me, the OP, but I agree with them. I asked Republicans, Moderates and Independents to make the case for why any Republican deserves my vote.
Crickets.
I'm the PP and think someone like Lisa Murkowski could deserve your vote. I'm a Democrat that voted for Larry Hogan. He governed reasonably well, focused on fiscal prudence, and generally acted as a check on the excesses of the Democratic party in Maryland. He was not above criticizing Trump but at the same time, couldn't bring himself to actually vote for a Democrat. It shouldn't be apostasy to do that when Democracy is literally on the line.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:47
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Do you want open borders, OP?
If yes, don’t vote Republican.
Right, because under Trump and every other R president, the border was completely closed. Shut so tight that not a single migrant was able to cross into the US.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:44
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.
Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.
If someone were to say:
Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.
Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”
So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.
This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.
Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.
Once again, the above post wasn’t me, the OP, but I agree with them. I asked Republicans, Moderates and Independents to make the case for why any Republican deserves my vote.
Crickets.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:38
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.
Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.
If someone were to say:
Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.
Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”
So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.
This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.
Nice straw man. I didn't ask for an absolute set of positions. I asked for a platform and what the GOP's policies are. How are they intending to make this nation better? And by the way, there is a party of fascists and there's everyone else. Right now, that means most people have to vote Democrat because there isn't an alternative. I include myself among them.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:21
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
Stop running on the hamster wheel that any criticism means someone must not be voting for a democrat. That is the real bugaboo here. If someone isn’t goosestepping to all your points, they must be an enemy.
Op should vote Dem, no question. She needs no convincing to vote GOP. There is no debate to be had except to stop painting people with broad brushes. What OP really wants to do is shame people for having positions that are not 100% in line with the Dems.
If someone were to say:
Well, i usually tend to vote Dem. I don’t agree with many GOP candidates on opposing abortion outright. I am open to abortion up to the point of viability outside the womb and life of the mother.
Then the response here is typically either, “MAGA!!!!” or “you MUST support all abortions at anytime. We give no quarter to any restrictions.”
So, then the usual Dem supporter is out in the position of having no party, because the party they usually support doesn’t want to listen to her position, and she doesn’t agree with the other party on this issue or many others.
This is just one example I’ve heard from a few moderates. OP is not one of the people who finds herself torn between the parties.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:11
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting that not one person has said why anyone should vote for Republicans instead of simply trotting out standard MAGA talking points against Democrats.
Does the GOP really stand for nothing?
It really doesn't. They have not articulated a single policy point in years. It's simply all about 'owning the libs'. Trump hasn't even said what he'd do with a second term beyond using it to try to escape criminal judgment.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:08
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
It’s interesting that not one person has said why anyone should vote for Republicans instead of simply trotting out standard MAGA talking points against Democrats.
Does the GOP really stand for nothing?
Does the GOP really stand for nothing?
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:07
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
+100000
And yet you couldn't bother to answer the question. It's not disingenuous. I don't even know what the GOP's platform is these days. What are you running on other than being against the Democrats?
The GOP’s current platform is that they have no platform. Not a joke.
Anonymous
09/20/2023 13:01
Subject: Why does the GOP deserve my vote?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP back again.
Yes, indeed this has been an illuminating thread. Lots of people who say on other threads that both parties are the exact same thing. So I took them all at their word and have asked those people, as well as reliable Republicans, to make the case for why I, as a moderate, should vote for the GOP. We’re eight pages in and not one single Republican/Moderate/Independent has been able to make a case for their party.
Lots of people pretending not to understand what I meant, lots of people halfway to insulting me, but not a one of you can make a cogent case for why I should cast a vote for a Republican candidate at any level.
Why should they bother? You were obviously disingenuous. I’m not voting Republican but wouldn’t answer you either.
OP asked a fairly simple question. That there hasn't been one single coherent reason over the course of 8 pages is really quite illuminating. The GOP offers nothing but culture war claptrap. That's it.