Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:26
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Poster you quoted earlier who said the RNC is deluded— I voted for Bush, and voted for Pataki. I’m about as independent as you get in this area and I am 0% interested in forced birth candidates.
Well we’re no longer in the 1990s and politics and the respective party platforms (at least at the national level) have evolved quite a bit since those days so you are probably no longer as independent as you suggest.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:25
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It just doesn’t sit well with me when a politician says they should decide my medical care. They are saying they don’t trust my decision making.
That isn’t going to win my vote.
What about vaccinations? Hmmmm
What about them? I wasn’t forced to be vaccinated.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:24
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Poster you quoted earlier who said the RNC is deluded— I voted for Bush, and voted for Pataki. I’m about as independent as you get in this area and I am 0% interested in forced birth candidates.
Dp- and it was easy to vote for pro life republicans in the past, because it was all talk. We were protected by Roe, so we could ignore their position on abortion. It was consequential.
Overturning Roe has forced many of us to reprioritize what we look for in a candidate. It’s deadly serious.
No amount of articles about their family vacations in People magazine changes that.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:22
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Np. Here’s the thing. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else. BUT, women across America (I’m not sure who you consider “mainstream”) are more similar than different. We don’t want to be mansplained, we don’t want to be harassed at work (whether we’re fat, skinny, beautiful, old, whatever), if we’re mothers, we want our kids to be treated fairly, we want to be appreciated for all the free work we do (housework, childcare, eldercare, arranging the office party, chaperoning the school trip), we want to feel safe (walking streets at night, in bars, filling up a car, in a doctor’s office, on a sports team). And much else.
I absolutely agree with all of the above. However I would ardently disagree with the idea that those values are inconsistent with a pro-life stance or that the Democratic Party is inherently more respectful of women.
Ok. But you are likely to be on the losing side of a national election because the majority clearly values the protections we had in roe, feels completely disrespected with having their rights stripped away and intends to vote accordingly.
Dobbs sent the decision down to the State level, in case you didn’t know.
There is nothing in my post to indicate that I don't understand that roe was overturned and the implications of that. That will affect my vote and the vote of many millions of other independent women. In case you didn't know.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:20
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Np. Here’s the thing. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else. BUT, women across America (I’m not sure who you consider “mainstream”) are more similar than different. We don’t want to be mansplained, we don’t want to be harassed at work (whether we’re fat, skinny, beautiful, old, whatever), if we’re mothers, we want our kids to be treated fairly, we want to be appreciated for all the free work we do (housework, childcare, eldercare, arranging the office party, chaperoning the school trip), we want to feel safe (walking streets at night, in bars, filling up a car, in a doctor’s office, on a sports team). And much else.
I absolutely agree with all of the above. However I would ardently disagree with the idea that those values are inconsistent with a pro-life stance or that the Democratic Party is inherently more respectful of women.
Ok. But you are likely to be on the losing side of a national election because the majority clearly values the protections we had in roe, feels completely disrespected with having their rights stripped away and intends to vote accordingly.
Dobbs sent the decision down to the State level, in case you didn’t know.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:19
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:It just doesn’t sit well with me when a politician says they should decide my medical care. They are saying they don’t trust my decision making.
That isn’t going to win my vote.
What about vaccinations? Hmmmm
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:19
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
I only voting for the candidate who is against Student Loan Forgiveness. Pay your own loans.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:18
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
It just doesn’t sit well with me when a politician says they should decide my medical care. They are saying they don’t trust my decision making.
That isn’t going to win my vote.
That isn’t going to win my vote.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:18
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Np. Here’s the thing. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else. BUT, women across America (I’m not sure who you consider “mainstream”) are more similar than different. We don’t want to be mansplained, we don’t want to be harassed at work (whether we’re fat, skinny, beautiful, old, whatever), if we’re mothers, we want our kids to be treated fairly, we want to be appreciated for all the free work we do (housework, childcare, eldercare, arranging the office party, chaperoning the school trip), we want to feel safe (walking streets at night, in bars, filling up a car, in a doctor’s office, on a sports team). And much else.
I absolutely agree with all of the above. However I would ardently disagree with the idea that those values are inconsistent with a pro-life stance or that the Democratic Party is inherently more respectful of women.
Ok. But you are likely to be on the losing side of a national election because the majority clearly values the protections we had in roe, feels completely disrespected with having their rights stripped away and intends to vote accordingly.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:14
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Np. Here’s the thing. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else. BUT, women across America (I’m not sure who you consider “mainstream”) are more similar than different. We don’t want to be mansplained, we don’t want to be harassed at work (whether we’re fat, skinny, beautiful, old, whatever), if we’re mothers, we want our kids to be treated fairly, we want to be appreciated for all the free work we do (housework, childcare, eldercare, arranging the office party, chaperoning the school trip), we want to feel safe (walking streets at night, in bars, filling up a car, in a doctor’s office, on a sports team). And much else.
I absolutely agree with all of the above. However I would ardently disagree with the idea that those values are inconsistent with a pro-life stance or that the Democratic Party is inherently more respectful of women.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:14
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Says you. If that is their vote, that is their vote. A vote for a women's reporductive rights supporting candidate is not pointless at all.
I’m not saying their vote is pointless, I’m saying that such voters are not truly “independents” and are realistically never going to vote for a mainstream republican in a national election so their views are irrelevant to a thread on how the Republican Party can attract independent women.
It’s equivalent to if the thread topic was “how can the Democratic Party attract independent rural males” and a bunch of posters claiming to represent this demographic chimed in to say that their key voting issue and minimum criteria for considering a candidate is that they respect the absolute right to bear arms and therefore a successful democratic candidate would need to oppose gun control measures to win their vote.
Ok. If the target is independent rural males, gun rights is going to be a winning position. If the target is independent suburban women, it sounds like pro- gun rights is not a winning position, but pro-choice is a winning position.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:12
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Poster you quoted earlier who said the RNC is deluded— I voted for Bush, and voted for Pataki. I’m about as independent as you get in this area and I am 0% interested in forced birth candidates.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:08
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Any woman who is solely going to base her vote on abortion rights is not “independent”. She’s a liberal. Period.
I don't think you know what independent means. Am independent voter is not registered with a political party and does not vote in the primary for any party.
A woman's view on reporductive rights has nothing to do with it although most voters valuing reporductive rights will vote for the democratic candidate.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:07
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Says you. If that is their vote, that is their vote. A vote for a women's reporductive rights supporting candidate is not pointless at all.
I’m not saying their vote is pointless, I’m saying that such voters are not truly “independents” and are realistically never going to vote for a mainstream republican in a national election so their views are irrelevant to a thread on how the Republican Party can attract independent women.
It’s equivalent to if the thread topic was “how can the Democratic Party attract independent rural males” and a bunch of posters claiming to represent this demographic chimed in to say that their key voting issue and minimum criteria for considering a candidate is that they respect the absolute right to bear arms and therefore a successful democratic candidate would need to oppose gun control measures to win their vote.
The problem with this question is that it assumes that the Republican Party has a platform that might conceivably be tweaked to attract the independent woman voter. I am an independent and until 2016 had voted for both parties. But I care about the issues. So when one party becomes a whine fest of grievance and bullying, it becomes a lot less interesting as an option.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 18:02
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Says you. If that is their vote, that is their vote. A vote for a women's reporductive rights supporting candidate is not pointless at all.
I’m not saying their vote is pointless, I’m saying that such voters are not truly “independents” and are realistically never going to vote for a mainstream republican in a national election so their views are irrelevant to a thread on how the Republican Party can attract independent women.
It’s equivalent to if the thread topic was “how can the Democratic Party attract independent rural males” and a bunch of posters claiming to represent this demographic chimed in to say that their key voting issue and minimum criteria for considering a candidate is that they respect the absolute right to bear arms and therefore a successful democratic candidate would need to oppose gun control measures to win their vote.