Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:47     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because we know you aren’t working all of the time and are taking advantage.


Who's "we"? How do you know exactly?


Just visit this message board during the workday.


I work a hybrid schedule. I post more on DCUM when I’m at the office than when I’m at home. I get more actual work done at home, so don’t have time to post.

My in-office days are my meetings and socialization days. My home days are my workdays.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:45     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m convinced that a lot of the people pushing RTO have commercial real estate interests and they are freaking out at the losses.


Meanwhile we have a homeless crisis

Imagine if we repurposed these buildings and made them centers to connect people to resources/ house them/ provide food and community/ opportunities etc

But then where’s the money in that?

🙃
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:43     Subject: Re:For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How do all of these administrative staff people do their jobs remotely? Seems like BS.


I'm not administrative staff, but that seems like the type of position most conducive to WFH.


+2

An admin is the last person who needs to be on site, unless to prepare for an in person meeting?
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:42     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m convinced that a lot of the people pushing RTO have commercial real estate interests and they are freaking out at the losses.


+100
Biden admin picking profits over people. Even at the expense of agency missions
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:41     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have four adult kids. Three are now back to work (required) while one is 100 percent work from home. She has two jobs. Her “full time” employer doesn’t know about the second job. She works hard, is efficient, and doesn’t mess around. But she puts in 40 hours a week, tops. She absolutely could not do what she’s doing if she had to report to an office.

So my sample size is one. But I find it really hard to believe that she is the only remote worker in America who is working a second job behind her primary employer’s back. I’m betting it’s a widespread practice.


As long as she’s completing her work on time, does it matter?
l value honesty. So ya it matters.


Why is it dishonest? She’s doing her job. Did she sign something promising how she would live her life off the clock?
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:41     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
NP. I’m convinced that a lot of the people pushing RTO have commercial real estate interests and they are freaking out at the losses.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:38     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:I have four adult kids. Three are now back to work (required) while one is 100 percent work from home. She has two jobs. Her “full time” employer doesn’t know about the second job. She works hard, is efficient, and doesn’t mess around. But she puts in 40 hours a week, tops. She absolutely could not do what she’s doing if she had to report to an office.

So my sample size is one. But I find it really hard to believe that she is the only remote worker in America who is working a second job behind her primary employer’s back. I’m betting it’s a widespread practice.


You’re complaining about someone who works hard 40 hours a week? Wow you RTO people have lost the plot. You can’t come up with a good reason to RTO.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:35     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have four adult kids. Three are now back to work (required) while one is 100 percent work from home. She has two jobs. Her “full time” employer doesn’t know about the second job. She works hard, is efficient, and doesn’t mess around. But she puts in 40 hours a week, tops. She absolutely could not do what she’s doing if she had to report to an office.

So my sample size is one. But I find it really hard to believe that she is the only remote worker in America who is working a second job behind her primary employer’s back. I’m betting it’s a widespread practice.


As long as she’s completing her work on time, does it matter?
l value honesty. So ya it matters.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:34     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve had a few conversations with people about the RTO push and who this benefits.

If you’ll notice, most people agitating for RTO are white guys in upper management. Why? In the office, they’re The Man. Without a staff to kiss their ass, who are they?

Furthermore, I think because presumably WFH evens the playing field for POC, as people truly are being evaluated by their output rather than intangibles like “fit,” the white guys are freaking out that the end to their long, nearly exclusive claim to power in corporate America may be fading.

Finally I think a lot of these guys want to cheat, and without “the office” as a place they go to everyday, it makes that a lot harder.


Agree, RTO is a win for bullies and harassers.


Unfortunately the old white men in my office still harass young women on teams. But yes, harassment is down
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:32     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:People are talking about management here, but I’m at an agency where management doesn’t want/need us in the office and we are only going back because of the whims of the President and Congress. We don’t want to look like we aren’t playing our role because our appropriation may depend on it.


And by whims it's all $$. They are being pressured by the rich who may not get their 3rd yacht if offices and restaurants and downtowns are empty. Just remembers that workers have the power.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:31     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve had a few conversations with people about the RTO push and who this benefits.

If you’ll notice, most people agitating for RTO are white guys in upper management. Why? In the office, they’re The Man. Without a staff to kiss their ass, who are they?

Furthermore, I think because presumably WFH evens the playing field for POC, as people truly are being evaluated by their output rather than intangibles like “fit,” the white guys are freaking out that the end to their long, nearly exclusive claim to power in corporate America may be fading.

Finally I think a lot of these guys want to cheat, and without “the office” as a place they go to everyday, it makes that a lot harder.


Agree, RTO is a win for bullies and harassers.


+1

Can we stop with hating on white people. It's over.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:29     Subject: Re:For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:It's the same puritanical "are you suffering enough" mindset that afflicts so many topics, especially any affecting parents and children. Cultually we just cannot stand the idea of people (esp. women) being able to work and parent and have a life. You have to struggle, otherwise it doesn't count


Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:26     Subject: Re:For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:How do all of these administrative staff people do their jobs remotely? Seems like BS.


I'm not administrative staff, but that seems like the type of position most conducive to WFH.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 09:14     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:I've noticed an increased expectation since COVID that I/dh am available throughout the day for appts/school activities. Neither one of us works from home (medical careers). I wouldn't call it jealousy. More of a frustration with the assumption that it's a widespread norm.


If you’re both doctors who would be expecting either of you to attend school stuff? I never did when I was in office and still don’t, now that I am remote. The school doesn’t “expect” anything - I realized long ago that events that take place during the day are mostly for SAHMs, it’s a way they keep busy and engaged. If you’re really a doctor, you should have the ability to recognize this. You don’t have to be everywhere, all at once. You pick and choose, it’s all up to you and your own availability. And, btw, doctors have great flexibility that lawyers would never even dream of.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2023 08:59     Subject: For those who are anti wfh, curious why you care?
Anonymous wrote:I’ve had a few conversations with people about the RTO push and who this benefits.

If you’ll notice, most people agitating for RTO are white guys in upper management. Why? In the office, they’re The Man. Without a staff to kiss their ass, who are they?

Furthermore, I think because presumably WFH evens the playing field for POC, as people truly are being evaluated by their output rather than intangibles like “fit,” the white guys are freaking out that the end to their long, nearly exclusive claim to power in corporate America may be fading.

Finally I think a lot of these guys want to cheat, and without “the office” as a place they go to everyday, it makes that a lot harder.


Agree, RTO is a win for bullies and harassers.