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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.

No, see, "thinking your husband is watching" is exactly why this would never happen to some people. SOME people would never delegate that duty. This kind of personality is often derided as "neurotic" or "no chill" and their sister makes fun of them and urges her to "loosen up sometimes, jeez."

But there are definitely some people who would keep a 19-month old in their direct line of sight AND an arm's length away -- for hours if necessary.

See also, crowded children's museums. Great Wolf Lodge. The airport. SOME people actually "never look away." This is in fact humanly possible. Exhausting ... but possible, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

+1. Drowning happens silently and fast. We have a gated pool and I have only had one pool party with a lifeguard and high school seniors. I would never judge a parent that lost their kid to drowning in a pool.

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Anonymous wrote:The most annoying part of the article is that she's called "a mom of eight". How are you a mom of eight? Your birthed six, one died. You're a mom of five. You don't get to count the dead kids or kids you didn't birth. It's not a wholesale operation.

Omg, horrifying, this whole thread is HORRIFYING. You have become what you hate here with comments like this.

I have? I can report with 100% certainty that I've never counted my husband's issue with other women among my children. I remain a mom of (# of infants grown inside my uterus).

So adopted children don’t count?

You really need to expand your world view.

Don’t be obtuse.

Don’t be offensive.

Learn to use inclusive language. Your American family should not be considered the default.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.

No, see, "thinking your husband is watching" is exactly why this would never happen to some people. SOME people would never delegate that duty. This kind of personality is often derided as "neurotic" or "no chill" and their sister makes fun of them and urges her to "loosen up sometimes, jeez."

But there are definitely some people who would keep a 19-month old in their direct line of sight AND an arm's length away -- for hours if necessary.

See also, crowded children's museums. Great Wolf Lodge. The airport. SOME people actually "never look away." This is in fact humanly possible. Exhausting ... but possible, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

You are wrong. I study drowning for a living. Kids have drowned when their parents were using the bathroom.

The key (proven in other countries) is to require four sided (aka isolation) fencing, with a self closing self latching gate around backyard pools.

Legislators are at fault for not requiring this proven measure, to prevent the leading cause of death for toddlers in America.

They deserve protection Regardless of how informed, mature, sober or responsible their caretakers are.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.

This, and believing otherwise is hubris.

Indeed! I was a lifeguard for 8 years in HS + college. Drowning can happen quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.

This, and believing otherwise is hubris.

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Anonymous wrote:The most annoying part of the article is that she's called "a mom of eight". How are you a mom of eight? Your birthed six, one died. You're a mom of five. You don't get to count the dead kids or kids you didn't birth. It's not a wholesale operation.

Omg, horrifying, this whole thread is HORRIFYING. You have become what you hate here with comments like this.

I have? I can report with 100% certainty that I've never counted my husband's issue with other women among my children. I remain a mom of (# of infants grown inside my uterus).

So adopted children don’t count?

You really need to expand your world view.

Don’t be obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Accidental drowning is like the leading cause of death in kids under 2. I have literally nothing positive to say about the parents here, I honestly don't know much about them, but what I do know is that this type of accident can happen to anyone. It is like hot car deaths, where people like to pontificate about how it couldn't happen to them but the reality is that it can and it happens to good parents and bad parents all alike.

Anyone who is saying they literally ALWAYS had eyes on their child is fooling themselves. Most of us are fortunate in that those moments where kids slipped away didn't end in tragedy.

No it can’t. People who keep eyes on their kids at all times at other people’s houses, especially with pools, don’t have this happen to them. People like to say it can happen to anyone to make them feel better but it’s not true. In those cases mistakes were made. If you’re watching your child appropriately it can’t happen that they drown in a pool.

No one is saying mistakes didn't happen. But it CAN happen to anyone because no one is perfect. No one is infallible and everyone has near misses in their life. I have never had something like this happen and live in abject fear of it happening because I know it COULD happen.

It can certainly happen! I’m fact, it almost did years ago at my daughters Girl Scout party event. Troop leader House had a pool and invited all the girls and their families to an end of year summer party. Even hired 2 lifeguards (teenagers) to be there. Middle of day, parents chatting it up, kids in and out of pool and younger sibling there too. Everyone sort of mildly distracted m. Maybe life guards being there lowered the guard but one little sibling about 4, fell in deep in and NO ONE noticed! Another mom finally saw this and started a steaming, LIFEGUARD!! The two teens weren’t even looking! The dad jumped in and got her and though she was shaken up and coughing up water, she was okay. It happened so fast and also so silently. No one noticed anything and the parents were all there.

You’ve just proven my point. They weren’t watching the kid properly. When you watch your non swimmer properly, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t know, I feel like you’re very quick to judge. Not every parent is holding their children’s hands every single minute of the pool party or shadowing their every move. You could turn to our food on a plate or grab a juice box out of the cooler or think your DH is watching her. Accidents happen.