Anonymous
07/28/2023 09:41
Subject: Re:Sinead O’Connor has died
Agreed. At the time, I thought her positions were interesting and principled, and didn't get why people found her so objectionable. However, I was not a big fan of her music itself - she did have a lovely voice, just not my taste in music.
Felt exactly the same at the time, it seemed like an excessive reaction to a heartfelt action. However in retrospect, it's not as if I ever heard another one of her albums. So in someway I bought into the cancelation, or failed to support her in any way even though I wasn't around anyone who was shunning her.
I hadn't purchased her albums before either, so if I had purchased them afterwards, I would have only been doing so to support her principles - which in retrospect, perhaps I should have, but I was young at the time.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 09:24
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how to link it here but the You’re Wrong About podcast did a great episode on Sinead on April 11th of this year.
Here's the link.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 07:29
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
I don't think anyone is here to argue about the origins of terrorism in NI. - that was just informing people why Sinead O'Connor was "cancelled". It's just a fact, not a fight.
That's not what I really recall--at least in the U.S. If her support for the IRA was known, it certainly did not penetrate to my teen/young adult friend group, and I assume we were a target audience. It was much more the Pope picture, outspokenness re: feminist issues, bald head, general perception (or spin) that she was crazy, etc.
+1
Anonymous
07/28/2023 01:53
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
I don’t know how to link it here but the You’re Wrong About podcast did a great episode on Sinead on April 11th of this year.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 00:13
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
I don't think anyone is here to argue about the origins of terrorism in NI. - that was just informing people why Sinead O'Connor was "cancelled". It's just a fact, not a fight.
That's not what I really recall--at least in the U.S. If her support for the IRA was known, it certainly did not penetrate to my teen/young adult friend group, and I assume we were a target audience. It was much more the Pope picture, outspokenness re: feminist issues, bald head, general perception (or spin) that she was crazy, etc.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:56
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
Agree.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:34
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
Actually her mother has a lot to answer for. When she put her in a home run by Catholic nuns, one of them spotted she could sing, bought her a guitar and got her lessons.
I'm still going with Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. So many children molested.
It isn’t just the tens of thousands of children molested by priests around the globe which the Church worked so hard to cover up for many decades.
The thing that Sinead knew at a visceral level was how complicit the Church was in fostering a morality mindset that essentially made children into something burdensome, shameful and disposable which given the Church’s opposition to birth control is the sickest irony.
All over the world children have been abused in all kinds of ways in boarding schools and in Magdalene laundries and in immediate and extended families all with the de facto endorsement of the Church. Jesus loves the little children, but a great many of His followers do not. But as Sinead had said in the past, everything wrong with the world begins in child abuse. And yet the Church she was born into - and those of the other flavors too - does far too little in actual fact to alleviate the suffering of children, instead the abused child is told to honor the parents and elders and clergy who exploit them.
If there is a God, the embrace awaiting courageous Sinead is huge.
Agreed, and I also think she felt women were uniquely disenfranchised by Catholicism and Ireland.
My cousin was an Irish priest (he passed away 10 years ago) and he told me he had to “church” women after they gave birth before they could go back to mass. Otherwise they were viewed as “tainted”. He really struggled with the misogyny in Ireland and ultimately left.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:21
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
Actually her mother has a lot to answer for. When she put her in a home run by Catholic nuns, one of them spotted she could sing, bought her a guitar and got her lessons.
I'm still going with Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. So many children molested.
It isn’t just the tens of thousands of children molested by priests around the globe which the Church worked so hard to cover up for many decades.
The thing that Sinead knew at a visceral level was how complicit the Church was in fostering a morality mindset that essentially made children into something burdensome, shameful and disposable which given the Church’s opposition to birth control is the sickest irony.
All over the world children have been abused in all kinds of ways in boarding schools and in Magdalene laundries and in immediate and extended families all with the de facto endorsement of the Church. Jesus loves the little children, but a great many of His followers do not. But as Sinead had said in the past, everything wrong with the world begins in child abuse. And yet the Church she was born into - and those of the other flavors too - does far too little in actual fact to alleviate the suffering of children, instead the abused child is told to honor the parents and elders and clergy who exploit them.
If there is a God, the embrace awaiting courageous Sinead is huge.
This brought tears to my eyes
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:18
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
Actually her mother has a lot to answer for. When she put her in a home run by Catholic nuns, one of them spotted she could sing, bought her a guitar and got her lessons.
I'm still going with Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. So many children molested.
It isn’t just the tens of thousands of children molested by priests around the globe which the Church worked so hard to cover up for many decades.
The thing that Sinead knew at a visceral level was how complicit the Church was in fostering a morality mindset that essentially made children into something burdensome, shameful and disposable which given the Church’s opposition to birth control is the sickest irony.
All over the world children have been abused in all kinds of ways in boarding schools and in Magdalene laundries and in immediate and extended families all with the de facto endorsement of the Church. Jesus loves the little children, but a great many of His followers do not. But as Sinead had said in the past, everything wrong with the world begins in child abuse. And yet the Church she was born into - and those of the other flavors too - does far too little in actual fact to alleviate the suffering of children, instead the abused child is told to honor the parents and elders and clergy who exploit them.
If there is a God, the embrace awaiting courageous Sinead is huge.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 20:17
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
I don't think anyone is here to argue about the origins of terrorism in NI. - that was just informing people why Sinead O'Connor was "cancelled". It's just a fact, not a fight.
Fair. But “reign of terror” sure seems one-sided
It was a busy time for the IRA who were terrorists. The fact that the English had already conducted an enormous, devastating genocide on the country, its culture and language is not lost on me. My family come from Irish peasants who escaped during the potato famine, to Liverpool.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 19:58
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
I don't think anyone is here to argue about the origins of terrorism in NI. - that was just informing people why Sinead O'Connor was "cancelled". It's just a fact, not a fight.
Fair. But “reign of terror” sure seems one-sided
Anonymous
07/27/2023 19:56
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
I don't think anyone is here to argue about the origins of terrorism in NI. - that was just informing people why Sinead O'Connor was "cancelled". It's just a fact, not a fight.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 19:38
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
síocháin leat, a Shinéad
Anonymous
07/27/2023 19:23
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
She also openly supported the IRA (Irish Republican Army), which at the time were in their reign of terror, bombing and shooting innocent civilians (including children) in attacks in the UK and Ireland. It wasn't just about ripping up a photo of the Pope.
After generations of apartheid from the English crown.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 19:21
Subject: Sinead O’Connor has died
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why was she cancelled?
Ripping up a picture of the Pope.
I watched this live because I loved her at that point. I think if she had said a little more and made it more clear what she was doing and why it could have sparked the discussion that we ended up having decades later, instead of just ruining her. I learned many years later that that picture wasn’t just a picture she cut out of a magazine, it was an actual photo her mother took during a papal visit and it was her mother’s prize possession. For the PP who asked, here it is.
Ireland had a very different relationship with the church than the US didn’t. Her actions made more sense in the context of Ireland, but not really in the States.