Anonymous
07/18/2023 08:24
Subject: Actors' strike
Universal just cut all the trees that had provided shade to the striking workers. Wow.
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Anonymous
07/18/2023 08:15
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Why is there a problem with AI but not CGI? They use CGI to make crowds bigger thus taking jobs away from extras. They’ve been “AI’ing” for a long time.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
The workers should have health insurance of some form.
Companies with pensions are very few if not completely gone.
How many companies continue to pay their employees for the work done 1 year ago, 5, 10? It’s usually pay and done.
Their complaints are no different than all workers in US.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 21:00
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Presumably she is in California, right? So if she is earning under $26k/year, she can get insurance through Medi-Cal which would be free or highly subsidized depending on how much she earned.
And what about actors who aren't based in CA?
Some are based in places like Atlanta (huge film and TV production industry) and other cities around the country. Just noting that. Not only in relation to health insurance but overall. This isn't a CA problem or a CA strike.
Most extras in Atlanta are regular people with normal jobs who just think it's cool to be in movies/tv. They aren't trying to be real actors - they're doing it as a hobby.
I am pro union. And I hate that CEOs/big wigs/owners make the big bucks. But I don't really care about the SAG situation at all.
What do you mean that they are doing it as a Ho by, how DF do you know that?
Anonymous
07/17/2023 19:19
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
The first setup was ridiculous, $1300/month for doing nothing, they should just pay a flat fee and then own the rights it's stupid to think $1300/month is going to last
Anonymous
07/17/2023 19:19
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster. [/quote
The first setup was ridiculous, $1300/month for doing nothing, they should just pay a flat fee and then own the rights it's stupid to think $1300/month is going to last
Anonymous
07/17/2023 19:08
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
The leads of Ozark get nothing in residuals. The producers and the streaming services are so greedy.
These are all publicly-traded companies and it is all about share price.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 19:05
Subject: Actors' strike
Not everything he is going to make it in the business. If you’re not at least making $26k maybe you’re just not good enough? Move on to something else!
Anonymous
07/17/2023 18:57
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do we think anyone will cross the picket line? If so, who?
Non-union employees.
There aren't any non-union folks in the film industry. There are a lot of folks who are trying to break into film production. Crossing the picket line will kill any chance they might have
Netflix will be happy to purchase and air British and Australian content not effected by the strike
The streamers already pick up the good stuff from around the world. Trust, the mid-tier international content will get old fast. Their budgets are a fraction of the US standard.
Yep. No one pays for Netflix to see random Australian stuff.
Netflix's new account sharing ban was terribly timed.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 18:32
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
A lot of streamers have started pulling shows as they become eligible for residuals. Paramount+ just did (or is about to do) this to Rise of the Pink Ladies.
The disappearance of whole series from any and all streaming is a worrying trend. I love some pretty obscure shows and am actually trying to get some on DVD (though many do not, and never will, exist on physical media) because I figure these shows are going to vanish from all streaming sooner rather than later, due to the residuals issue. What a huge, cruel disservice to actors, writers, producers, set designers, composers, crew members....everyone involved in creating series which simply disappear from sight. Maybe forever. It's taking their creative and technical efforts and throwing them in the bin.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 18:28
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
I have a friend who does day hire extra work. He has been on House of Cards four times. As a day-hire extra, he gets no residuals. He got a day rate of something like $125 to be on call all day and get into scenes where they needed groups of people. He's also been on Veep and a couple of other shows (I forget which ones right now). Extras get no residuals, often have the most trouble getting up to the $26K that is required to get health benefits and are the most vulnerable part of the industry. And they number in the 10s of thousands of the 160K members of SAG.
The strike and the contract issues are about the people on the bottom-most rungs of the ladder, not the 2% of the A-listers and B-listers who negotiate their own contracts. This is for those who get paid by boilerplate contracts and by union-negotiated rates, not about people with agents who have individually tailored contracts.
And adding tremendous insult to injury, it's extras like your friend whom the studios want to replace, using AI. It's appalling that the producers guild actually said out loud that they think it would be great to scan actors' likenesses for one-time pay, then use those likenesses in perpetuity. Most of that would be for extras (at least...initially....). Goodbye to all background extra work, forever. That's the kind of work that gets some people started in the business, moving from extra to a line here and there, to an actual role over time. But that path would die entirely if AI extras became reality.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 16:56
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
I have a friend who does day hire extra work. He has been on House of Cards four times. As a day-hire extra, he gets no residuals. He got a day rate of something like $125 to be on call all day and get into scenes where they needed groups of people. He's also been on Veep and a couple of other shows (I forget which ones right now). Extras get no residuals, often have the most trouble getting up to the $26K that is required to get health benefits and are the most vulnerable part of the industry. And they number in the 10s of thousands of the 160K members of SAG.
The strike and the contract issues are about the people on the bottom-most rungs of the ladder, not the 2% of the A-listers and B-listers who negotiate their own contracts. This is for those who get paid by boilerplate contracts and by union-negotiated rates, not about people with agents who have individually tailored contracts.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 16:33
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
The leads of Ozark get nothing in residuals. The producers and the streaming services are so greedy.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 16:25
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
A lot of streamers have started pulling shows as they become eligible for residuals. Paramount+ just did (or is about to do) this to Rise of the Pink Ladies.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 16:21
Subject: Re:Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:I’ll admit I had little patience for the actors’ strike until I read this article about how poorly the Orange is the New Black cast was compensated. These actors were working on a hit show that was critically acclaimed and made Netflix millions, and they still had to keep their day jobs to cover 5 am cab fare to the set. Insane.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/notes-on-hollywood/orange-is-the-new-black-signalled-the-rot-inside-the-streaming-economy
The residuals for streaming work are laughable.
My cousin gets around $1300 every month for work she did as a victim on Law & Order SVU, Bones, and an episode of CSI Miami.
She did a 3 episode arc on Ozark and her check for the residuals of that is around $5-$8.
What I found interesting is the part of the article that stated that the residuals are calculated after the first 52 weeks of streaming. So, 1 year after the content is released is when they start getting residuals calculated? No wonder when I see videos some of them post of their checks they are like $.05!
OITNB pretty much established Netflix as a powerhouse to contend with traditional network media. House of Cards came out before OITNB, but House of Cards had well-known actors on its roster.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 16:03
Subject: Actors' strike
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do we think anyone will cross the picket line? If so, who?
Non-union employees.
There aren't any non-union folks in the film industry. There are a lot of folks who are trying to break into film production. Crossing the picket line will kill any chance they might have
Netflix will be happy to purchase and air British and Australian content not effected by the strike
The streamers already pick up the good stuff from around the world. Trust, the mid-tier international content will get old fast. Their budgets are a fraction of the US standard.
From last year, Derry Girls and the Crown were two of the shows that I liked best. Most of the American stuff is garbage too, just with bigger explosions.