Anonymous wrote:NP. There's a difference between old money (think Boston Beacon Hill) and new money (think Silicon Valley). Old money really doesn't care, the women are in Barbour jackets and the mens' cuffs are frayed. New money is more into the sleek vibe.

This is true. Old money people don't care. They don't have to!

No fake tans
Professional hair color/cut, colors not too extreme, not stiff, huge, or an old-style perm or set
Minimal makeup, nothing too trendy but not 20 years out of date in style (e.g., blush and lipstick styles)
Clothes and shoes that are clean, up-to-date, age appropriate and fit the person, appropriate to the occasion/type of day
Good hygiene, minimal or no scent
Care of skin, teeth
Shorter, clean nails
Nicer jewelry
Confidence

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it has anything to do w/ money, although it certainly helps. It has more to do w/ personal grooming and style choices.

And being thin.

I have a friend who is very frugal and pretty much exclusively shops at stores like Target and Kohls. She is very thin, fit/athletic, and attractive at 53. She accessorizes minimally, only buys what fits her really well off the rack, and has an innate sense of style that was evident even back in high school. We went shopping the Target clearance racks a few years ago -- and she even found things that looked good on me. No idea how she does it; I certainly can't replicate it on my own!

I disagree. IMO, Ina Garten looks rich—and she is not thin.

Anonymous wrote:Some of the least wealthy people I know are the most put together, and cleanest people I know.

Right. "Some."

This isn't about saying wealthy and poor are different species, or that tidiness and cleanliness is only available to those with money. It's about what is common in a group -- common enough to characterize them as a trope, outliers excluded.

Anonymous wrote:It's generally grooming that produces the subtle differences you can't put your finger on. Expensive haircuts vs cheap ones. Professionally tamed eyebrows. Whitened teeth. Moisturized skin. Mani/pedis (including on the men). And expensive makeup does look different from drugstore makeup.

This. And properly-fitted classic clothing. Also, shoes and bag. (and I'm not talking about big obvious designer brands, but high quality leather bag, sleek loafers, etc.)

It's generally grooming that produces the subtle differences you can't put your finger on. Expensive haircuts vs cheap ones. Professionally tamed eyebrows. Whitened teeth. Moisturized skin. Mani/pedis (including on the men). And expensive makeup does look different from drugstore makeup.

Anonymous wrote:Some of the least wealthy people I know are the most put together, and cleanest people I know.

My mother grew up very low income. She was a scholarship student and was taught from a very young age that they needed to try a bit harder than other people in order to fit in and not stand out. Hair simply and neatly done, always. Clothing ironed, always. Shoes clean and polished. Makeup done but very subtle. In her mid 70s she finally began to relax a bit, which was nice to see! She’s now all athleisure, all the time…but you’ll still never see her without hair done and nude lipstick on

Some of the least wealthy people I know are the most put together, and cleanest people I know.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it has anything to do w/ money, although it certainly helps. It has more to do w/ personal grooming and style choices.

And being thin.

I have a friend who is very frugal and pretty much exclusively shops at stores like Target and Kohls. She is very thin, fit/athletic, and attractive at 53. She accessorizes minimally, only buys what fits her really well off the rack, and has an innate sense of style that was evident even back in high school. We went shopping the Target clearance racks a few years ago -- and she even found things that looked good on me. No idea how she does it; I certainly can't replicate it on my own!

I think that look is achievable for anyone. You need clean, neat hair, subdued make-up, tidy clothes. You can't go wrong with classics. That's all.

I don't think it has anything to do w/ money, although it certainly helps. It has more to do w/ personal grooming and style choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are too hung up on the photos. When you see it irl you know it. They just look... Crisper around the edges. It's hard to put a finger on it. I know exactly what OP means.

Charlotte Casiraghi (Grace Kelly’s granddaughter) comes to mind when I think of this.

https://www.wmagazine.com/fashion/charlotte-casiraghi-best-fashion-moments-red-carpet-style-royal

Seriously? She has messy hair and poor posture in most of the photos. Does not appear “crisp” at all. Shes obviously a wealthy and attractive woman wearing extremely expensive clothes but she doesn’t look particularly comfortable in them. That is I think what the op is really getting at.

She's european wealthy, luxe and louche, not that clean American rich look

There’s also a vibe of being unbothered. Not worrying about stuff, not saving expensive things for special occasions, wearing whatever you want whether threadbare classics or flamboyant patterns, don’t need to look at what things cost, generally having people to do the hard things for you.

NP. There's a difference between old money (think Boston Beacon Hill) and new money (think Silicon Valley). Old money really doesn't care, the women are in Barbour jackets and the mens' cuffs are frayed. New money is more into the sleek vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are too hung up on the photos. When you see it irl you know it. They just look... Crisper around the edges. It's hard to put a finger on it. I know exactly what OP means.

Charlotte Casiraghi (Grace Kelly’s granddaughter) comes to mind when I think of this.

https://www.wmagazine.com/fashion/charlotte-casiraghi-best-fashion-moments-red-carpet-style-royal

Seriously? She has messy hair and poor posture in most of the photos. Does not appear “crisp” at all. Shes obviously a wealthy and attractive woman wearing extremely expensive clothes but she doesn’t look particularly comfortable in them. That is I think what the op is really getting at.