Anonymous wrote:Many of us on the Hill would care less what the overall proficiency rate of a particular neighborhood middle school might be IF said program offered a full menu of well-taught, at-grade level classes for 6th-8th grades for science, math, social studies and English. Parents also want a full menu of above grade-level classes for 8th grade and foreign languages taught at appropriates levels for most students (with an opt out of policy for advanced language students receiving instruction outside of school).

With those academic offerings, supported by reasonable and transparent standards for admission to honors/intensified classes, IB parents would flock to those schools in short order. That's what would be "helpful." Anything less and most parents won't bite, indefinitely. Really no more to say.

This is all true. And has been true for at least the last 20 years that I've been paying attention. The problem is that standing up these classes and complete slate of foreign language offerings, likely for a small number of students at first, is really expensive. Where does that budget come from? Something else in the school must then lose resources--intervention and small-group instruction for struggling students? Special Ed support for students with IEPs? Coaches for extra curricular teams and activities? So if DCPS stands up these classes before they have the students to fill these classes, there is a loss somewhere. This is due to the per pupil funding model. Once the students are there, the money is there, and if there are enough students to fill the "needed" honors classes, there is then funding to hire the teachers, buy the curriculum, etc.

How to solve this problem? I'm not sure. There are ways that have been suggested by parent groups in the past---change the funding model, secure outside foundation funding, hold on to high performing elementary cohorts in a K-8 model at their elementary school until there is a critical mass that then moves on to middle together, one pan-Ward 6 middle school that then has economy of scale to do it all, for example. But DCPS won't go there/can't go there. And it sort of makes sense when you realize the competing priorities of the system as a whole and the multitude of constituencies and the political climate

I occasionally think this board has some pro-school choice “trolls.”. Anything positive about traditional public schools or that some in-bound families might actually be choosing them over charters, it is ripped apart.

Anonymous wrote:Many of us on the Hill would care less what the overall proficiency rate of a particular neighborhood middle school might be IF said program offered a full menu of well-taught, at-grade level classes for 6th-8th grades for science, math, social studies and English. Parents also want a full menu of above grade-level classes for 8th grade and foreign languages taught at appropriates levels for most students (with an opt out of policy for advanced language students receiving instruction outside of school).

With those academic offerings, supported by reasonable and transparent standards for admission to honors/intensified classes, IB parents would flock to those schools in short order. That's what would be "helpful." Anything less and most parents won't bite, indefinitely. Really no more to say.

I agree with most of this, but think the weird focus some posters have on opting out of foreign languages if they get outside instruction is bizarre. Schools have no obligation to accommodate that and most parents don't care.

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown law students coach Stuart Hobson's mock trial team so that's cool.

The Georgetown law assistant prof mom who brought the program to SH is a white gentrifier, so presumably not welcome.

Many of us on the Hill would care less what the overall proficiency rate of a particular neighborhood middle school might be IF said program offered a full menu of well-taught, at-grade level classes for 6th-8th grades for science, math, social studies and English. Parents also want a full menu of above grade-level classes for 8th grade and foreign languages taught at appropriates levels for most students (with an opt out of policy for advanced language students receiving instruction outside of school).

With those academic offerings, supported by reasonable and transparent standards for admission to honors/intensified classes, IB parents would flock to those schools in short order. That's what would be "helpful." Anything less and most parents won't bite, indefinitely. Really no more to say.

Georgetown law students coach Stuart Hobson's mock trial team so that's cool.

The prior post was a response to an earlier post that gentrifiers are allegedly full-stop not welcome at neighborhood schools.

Anonymous wrote:People dont necessarily want Larla fully taking over and pushing her ideas onto everyone else. That was covered in the nice white parents podcast. Most people are not really stacked against their neighbors of all socioeconomic and racial stripes attending their neighborhood schools.

By "ideas" do you mean things like advanced classes for kids whose performance merits it? Expectations of good classroom management?

People like you impose regressive policies in the name of protecting POC and "equity". What scares me is, I think PP is probably white! Black folks want rigorous academics. Black folks want kid in seats learning. Black folks want troublemakers the heck away from our kids. There exists in DC a vocal minority of "activists" that would rather prove some anti-gentrifier point than get black folks educated. It (and condescending white folks like you) make me sick.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not wrong but I'm a little surprised by how many neighborhood families seem OK with Eliot-Hine, Jefferson Academy and Stuart Hobson these days though. I'm not hearing too many complaints from friends and neighbors who are using these schools, most of them UMC and white.

There are stats on this that were posted recently. It’s actually not that many families choosing their IB middle school, no matter what boosters like you post (repeatedly).

Give me a break. I'm no booster. My children attend a parochial middle school in VA. I've been fed up with our DCPS ES post Covid, thrilled that we only have one week of 5th grade left. But I'm genuinely surprised by how many of the brainy families we've known on the Hill for many years are actually sending their children to Eliot Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson for 6th or 7th grade. You don't have to be a booster to notice the uptick in Hill enrollment or to comment on it here.

Your alleged surprise doesn’t trump the actual numbers, which actually tell the opposite story.

I know quite a few parents who are sending their kids to Stuart Hobson and Eliot. None of them have kids who are really academic achievers so they feel comfortable in a low key environment where academics isn’t such a priority.

Ha, you might group my kid in there, but I’d gladly share his IQ tests to disabuse you of that notion … The kids I know going to EH come from very accomplished families who are comfortable with EH likely because of that.

Why?

Because they don’t think their kid needs to be hothoused/tiger-mommed to succeed. I don’t necessarily share that view entirely but for various reasons we are trying it out. Believe me when I tell you some very, very bright kids will be going.

As a brown person, it’s always been my perception that these kids scoop up all the advantages that should be going to the brown kids, while allowing their parents to pretend to be super woke and brag to their other white friends. I find it disgusting. But that’s just my opinion (and I am totally certain I’m not alone!).

What specifically are those advantages, and why should they be going to "the brown kids"?

OMG!!!!! Can someone incredibly generous suggest a reading list for this person?

Well it's a public school, so I have a few Supreme Court cases that you could read about how we're not allowed to treat school children differently based on their skin color...

Really. You are going to enroll your UMC white kid at a majority-black school that is struggling to determine how to use its limited public resources in the wisest, most equitable and effective ways and then write sharply-worded emails and petitions citing Supreme Court cases against racial discrimination to make sure your white kid gets what they are owed under the law? Textbook.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not wrong but I'm a little surprised by how many neighborhood families seem OK with Eliot-Hine, Jefferson Academy and Stuart Hobson these days though. I'm not hearing too many complaints from friends and neighbors who are using these schools, most of them UMC and white.

There are stats on this that were posted recently. It’s actually not that many families choosing their IB middle school, no matter what boosters like you post (repeatedly).

Give me a break. I'm no booster. My children attend a parochial middle school in VA. I've been fed up with our DCPS ES post Covid, thrilled that we only have one week of 5th grade left. But I'm genuinely surprised by how many of the brainy families we've known on the Hill for many years are actually sending their children to Eliot Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson for 6th or 7th grade. You don't have to be a booster to notice the uptick in Hill enrollment or to comment on it here.

Your alleged surprise doesn’t trump the actual numbers, which actually tell the opposite story.

I know quite a few parents who are sending their kids to Stuart Hobson and Eliot. None of them have kids who are really academic achievers so they feel comfortable in a low key environment where academics isn’t such a priority.

Ha, you might group my kid in there, but I’d gladly share his IQ tests to disabuse you of that notion … The kids I know going to EH come from very accomplished families who are comfortable with EH likely because of that.

Why?

Because they don’t think their kid needs to be hothoused/tiger-mommed to succeed. I don’t necessarily share that view entirely but for various reasons we are trying it out. Believe me when I tell you some very, very bright kids will be going.

As a brown person, it’s always been my perception that these kids scoop up all the advantages that should be going to the brown kids, while allowing their parents to pretend to be super woke and brag to their other white friends. I find it disgusting. But that’s just my opinion (and I am totally certain I’m not alone!).

What specifically are those advantages, and why should they be going to "the brown kids"?

OMG!!!!! Can someone incredibly generous suggest a reading list for this person?

Is there a list of opportunities at Stuart-Hobson specifically?

Of course not.

This is ridiculous. This person has not named a single thing except generic "internships," which I have basically never heard of at the middle school level. This is extremely clearly a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not wrong but I'm a little surprised by how many neighborhood families seem OK with Eliot-Hine, Jefferson Academy and Stuart Hobson these days though. I'm not hearing too many complaints from friends and neighbors who are using these schools, most of them UMC and white.

There are stats on this that were posted recently. It’s actually not that many families choosing their IB middle school, no matter what boosters like you post (repeatedly).

Give me a break. I'm no booster. My children attend a parochial middle school in VA. I've been fed up with our DCPS ES post Covid, thrilled that we only have one week of 5th grade left. But I'm genuinely surprised by how many of the brainy families we've known on the Hill for many years are actually sending their children to Eliot Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson for 6th or 7th grade. You don't have to be a booster to notice the uptick in Hill enrollment or to comment on it here.

Your alleged surprise doesn’t trump the actual numbers, which actually tell the opposite story.

I know quite a few parents who are sending their kids to Stuart Hobson and Eliot. None of them have kids who are really academic achievers so they feel comfortable in a low key environment where academics isn’t such a priority.

Ha, you might group my kid in there, but I’d gladly share his IQ tests to disabuse you of that notion … The kids I know going to EH come from very accomplished families who are comfortable with EH likely because of that.

Why?

Because they don’t think their kid needs to be hothoused/tiger-mommed to succeed. I don’t necessarily share that view entirely but for various reasons we are trying it out. Believe me when I tell you some very, very bright kids will be going.

As a brown person, it’s always been my perception that these kids scoop up all the advantages that should be going to the brown kids, while allowing their parents to pretend to be super woke and brag to their other white friends. I find it disgusting. But that’s just my opinion (and I am totally certain I’m not alone!).

What specifically are those advantages, and why should they be going to "the brown kids"?

OMG!!!!! Can someone incredibly generous suggest a reading list for this person?

Is there a list of opportunities at Stuart-Hobson specifically?

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Anonymous wrote:You're not wrong but I'm a little surprised by how many neighborhood families seem OK with Eliot-Hine, Jefferson Academy and Stuart Hobson these days though. I'm not hearing too many complaints from friends and neighbors who are using these schools, most of them UMC and white.

There are stats on this that were posted recently. It’s actually not that many families choosing their IB middle school, no matter what boosters like you post (repeatedly).

Give me a break. I'm no booster. My children attend a parochial middle school in VA. I've been fed up with our DCPS ES post Covid, thrilled that we only have one week of 5th grade left. But I'm genuinely surprised by how many of the brainy families we've known on the Hill for many years are actually sending their children to Eliot Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson for 6th or 7th grade. You don't have to be a booster to notice the uptick in Hill enrollment or to comment on it here.

Your alleged surprise doesn’t trump the actual numbers, which actually tell the opposite story.

I know quite a few parents who are sending their kids to Stuart Hobson and Eliot. None of them have kids who are really academic achievers so they feel comfortable in a low key environment where academics isn’t such a priority.

Ha, you might group my kid in there, but I’d gladly share his IQ tests to disabuse you of that notion … The kids I know going to EH come from very accomplished families who are comfortable with EH likely because of that.

Why?

Because they don’t think their kid needs to be hothoused/tiger-mommed to succeed. I don’t necessarily share that view entirely but for various reasons we are trying it out. Believe me when I tell you some very, very bright kids will be going.

As a brown person, it’s always been my perception that these kids scoop up all the advantages that should be going to the brown kids, while allowing their parents to pretend to be super woke and brag to their other white friends. I find it disgusting. But that’s just my opinion (and I am totally certain I’m not alone!).

What specifically are those advantages, and why should they be going to "the brown kids"?

OMG!!!!! Can someone incredibly generous suggest a reading list for this person?

Well it's a public school, so I have a few Supreme Court cases that you could read about how we're not allowed to treat school children differently based on their skin color...

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Anonymous wrote:You're not wrong but I'm a little surprised by how many neighborhood families seem OK with Eliot-Hine, Jefferson Academy and Stuart Hobson these days though. I'm not hearing too many complaints from friends and neighbors who are using these schools, most of them UMC and white.

There are stats on this that were posted recently. It’s actually not that many families choosing their IB middle school, no matter what boosters like you post (repeatedly).

Give me a break. I'm no booster. My children attend a parochial middle school in VA. I've been fed up with our DCPS ES post Covid, thrilled that we only have one week of 5th grade left. But I'm genuinely surprised by how many of the brainy families we've known on the Hill for many years are actually sending their children to Eliot Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson for 6th or 7th grade. You don't have to be a booster to notice the uptick in Hill enrollment or to comment on it here.

Your alleged surprise doesn’t trump the actual numbers, which actually tell the opposite story.

I know quite a few parents who are sending their kids to Stuart Hobson and Eliot. None of them have kids who are really academic achievers so they feel comfortable in a low key environment where academics isn’t such a priority.

Ha, you might group my kid in there, but I’d gladly share his IQ tests to disabuse you of that notion … The kids I know going to EH come from very accomplished families who are comfortable with EH likely because of that.

Why?

Because they don’t think their kid needs to be hothoused/tiger-mommed to succeed. I don’t necessarily share that view entirely but for various reasons we are trying it out. Believe me when I tell you some very, very bright kids will be going.

As a brown person, it’s always been my perception that these kids scoop up all the advantages that should be going to the brown kids, while allowing their parents to pretend to be super woke and brag to their other white friends. I find it disgusting. But that’s just my opinion (and I am totally certain I’m not alone!).

What specifically are those advantages, and why should they be going to "the brown kids"?

OMG!!!!! Can someone incredibly generous suggest a reading list for this person?

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Anonymous wrote:You're not wrong but I'm a little surprised by how many neighborhood families seem OK with Eliot-Hine, Jefferson Academy and Stuart Hobson these days though. I'm not hearing too many complaints from friends and neighbors who are using these schools, most of them UMC and white.

There are stats on this that were posted recently. It’s actually not that many families choosing their IB middle school, no matter what boosters like you post (repeatedly).

Give me a break. I'm no booster. My children attend a parochial middle school in VA. I've been fed up with our DCPS ES post Covid, thrilled that we only have one week of 5th grade left. But I'm genuinely surprised by how many of the brainy families we've known on the Hill for many years are actually sending their children to Eliot Hine, Jefferson or Stuart Hobson for 6th or 7th grade. You don't have to be a booster to notice the uptick in Hill enrollment or to comment on it here.

Your alleged surprise doesn’t trump the actual numbers, which actually tell the opposite story.

I know quite a few parents who are sending their kids to Stuart Hobson and Eliot. None of them have kids who are really academic achievers so they feel comfortable in a low key environment where academics isn’t such a priority.

Ha, you might group my kid in there, but I’d gladly share his IQ tests to disabuse you of that notion … The kids I know going to EH come from very accomplished families who are comfortable with EH likely because of that.

Why?

Because they don’t think their kid needs to be hothoused/tiger-mommed to succeed. I don’t necessarily share that view entirely but for various reasons we are trying it out. Believe me when I tell you some very, very bright kids will be going.

As a brown person, it’s always been my perception that these kids scoop up all the advantages that should be going to the brown kids, while allowing their parents to pretend to be super woke and brag to their other white friends. I find it disgusting. But that’s just my opinion (and I am totally certain I’m not alone!).

This is going to sound snarky, but it’s not. It’s a real, earnest question that I would like an answer to. What would you like white families to do differently? I don’t want to raise my kids in an all white area. I want my kids to have diverse classmates and live in a diverse neighborhood. SH or EH are looking like good options for us. I mean, I’m not bragging to anyone, and I’m honestly not sure what advantages my kid might be inadvertently scooping up. If you could get into the specifics here, that would be helpful.

Don't feed the trolls.