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Anonymous wrote:The census bureau said a year or so ago that compared to states, dc is the only place in the country that is becoming whiter

DC has some pretty extreme gentrification

So much this.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the streeteries, don't care about your parking problems

Ok, well less parking means fewer customers for restaurants. We’ve found ourselves increasingly going over the border to the suburbs because it’s less hassle. Not good for anyone who runs a business in DC

That’s because you live in Upper Caucasia, the part of DC that really isn’t even a city.

Uh, huh. Says the guy who just moved here from Indiana

This. Being smug about living in Logan circle is a specific look.

Yes, I do live in VA. But im from here and mostly metro for DC stuff. I take public transportation, walk, bike to work often and prefer it. Sometimes i do need to drive though. Especially if it’s a time we have to get a sitter. Not finding parking within a few blocks does impact dining choice at times.

Lol when you say you’re from “here” where do you mean? Were you born in the city and then moved to the suburbs? Or did you move into the city from somewhere else, flee the city once you had white kids, and now want everything convenient for you to drive back in?

What spite hill did you tumble off of? No we didn’t flee and no not from somewhere else. Do you need a special handshake to evaluate if my opinion is viable?

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

Is this really what you think? All of these UMC urban dwellers have never seen life outside of their own neighborhood?

You can tell by what they post here that they know very little about DC or the DMV. Maybe they moved here yesterday but probably more likely is that relying on bikes means your range of experiences in DC is extremely limited

I guarantee you that avid cyclists know the city more than many commuters who drive the same road twice a day.

"Avid cyclists" don't, but regular people who ride bikes do.

https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/who-are-all-these-avid-cyclists-anyway/

Nice one!

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Anonymous wrote:Outdoor dining here is a joke. It's seasonal and puts you on a roadway next to moving cars or on a sidewalk next to moving pedestrians. Nothing pleasurable or scenic about it. Go to California where restaurants are built to accommodate outdoor dining. Then come back here and realize how awful the DC "al fresco" dining experience truly is.

Another death rattle from a whining driver

Wrong. I’m the PP you responded to. Live in AU Park, cycle to/from work, and walk to do most of my errands. My point is that streateries and most outside dining sucks around here while our expectations and standards are abysmally low.

But if you want to dine above a sewer grate or in a cramped makeshift tent, then you do you.

Some streateries are great, and some are not. In many cases, the fact that they are officially still a temporary program means that businesses haven't yet made the kinds of investments that make them better.

The solution is to make the program permanent, but also to charge a reasonable rent. Streateries that don't invest or are unpleasant will eventually lose foot traffic and will close. The ones that make themselves nice will have no trouble paying the equivalent of whatever parking revenue the city would have made before.

In places where we already know that streateries will continue to be popular but sidewalks are narrow (like 18th St. Or M St.), we should also just go ahead and bump out the curb permanently. That will make it much easier for business owners to make attractive long-term investments.

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Anonymous wrote:Outdoor dining here is a joke. It's seasonal and puts you on a roadway next to moving cars or on a sidewalk next to moving pedestrians. Nothing pleasurable or scenic about it. Go to California where restaurants are built to accommodate outdoor dining. Then come back here and realize how awful the DC "al fresco" dining experience truly is.

Another death rattle from a whining driver

Wrong. I’m the PP you responded to. Live in AU Park, cycle to/from work, and walk to do most of my errands. My point is that streateries and most outside dining sucks around here while our expectations and standards are abysmally low.

But if you want to dine above a sewer grate or in a cramped makeshift tent, then you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

Is this really what you think? All of these UMC urban dwellers have never seen life outside of their own neighborhood?

You can tell by what they post here that they know very little about DC or the DMV. Maybe they moved here yesterday but probably more likely is that relying on bikes means your range of experiences in DC is extremely limited

I have no problem riding my bike to outlying suburbs or anywhere in the district. I've ridden my bike to annapolis and baltimore and back in the same day. I've ridden my bike to Harpers Ferry and Purcellville va and back in the same day. Riding a dozen miles across town or out into the burbs and back is literally just going to make me a bit more hungry when I get to my destination is all.

Anonymous wrote:and causing a lane to be closed going to be removed ??? They came about because of Covid, but now seem to have outlived their usefulness.

I never saw the attraction of eating in a closed lane on the street and inhaling vehicle fumes and loud automobile sounds while dining... not to mention being in a position where a car could kill me.

Let's make more open streets then.

Hi there! Great question, you can find out more about DDOT's Streatery Program here: https://publicspace-activation.ddot.dc.gov/pages/streateries

Streateries are set to expire December 31, 2023, but are likely to be extended again to allow more time to develop regulations to support a permanent Streatery Program. The draft regulations are scheduled to be posted for public comment this summer, so stay tuned for more information to come out soon about what that program will look like. All food establishments will need to reapply for permits under the new permanent program to ensure compliance with the new regulations. None will be grandfathered in, so some of the locations that were eligible in the temporary program (like the ones on Connecticut Avenue in the rush-hour parking lanes) won't be eligible for a permanent program.

Also, all permits that were issued under the temporary program for outdoor dining on the sidewalk (e.g., Temporary Sidewalk Table Service permits) expired on May 31, 2023 and DDOT is scheduled to conduct a Streatery inspection/enforcement blitz in June for those businesses operating outdoor dining on the sidewalk. All businesses will need to have a sidewalk cafe permit to continue operating in public space, which requires approval by the Public Space Committee at a public hearing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

Is this really what you think? All of these UMC urban dwellers have never seen life outside of their own neighborhood?

You can tell by what they post here that they know very little about DC or the DMV. Maybe they moved here yesterday but probably more likely is that relying on bikes means your range of experiences in DC is extremely limited

I guarantee you that avid cyclists know the city more than many commuters who drive the same road twice a day.

"Avid cyclists" don't, but regular people who ride bikes do.

https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/who-are-all-these-avid-cyclists-anyway/

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

Is this really what you think? All of these UMC urban dwellers have never seen life outside of their own neighborhood?

You can tell by what they post here that they know very little about DC or the DMV. Maybe they moved here yesterday but probably more likely is that relying on bikes means your range of experiences in DC is extremely limited

I guarantee you that avid cyclists know the city more than many commuters who drive the same road twice a day.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

Is this really what you think? All of these UMC urban dwellers have never seen life outside of their own neighborhood?

You can tell by what they post here that they know very little about DC or the DMV. Maybe they moved here yesterday but probably more likely is that relying on bikes means your range of experiences in DC is extremely limited

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

Is this really what you think? All of these UMC urban dwellers have never seen life outside of their own neighborhood?

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people on this thread only go to places they can walk or ride bikes to so only know a teeny, tiny percentage of the city let alone the metro area

Kind of feel bad for them.

I also only go to restaurants with outdoor dining at this point, some shade preferred.

Anonymous wrote:Outdoor dining here is a joke. It's seasonal and puts you on a roadway next to moving cars or on a sidewalk next to moving pedestrians. Nothing pleasurable or scenic about it. Go to California where restaurants are built to accommodate outdoor dining. Then come back here and realize how awful the DC "al fresco" dining experience truly is.

Another death rattle from a whining driver