Anonymous
05/31/2023 16:26
Subject: Re:Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guarantee you these girls will start shaving once out in the real world.
Tons of people in the “real world” don’t even have to put on pants to do their jobs anymore. My own mother wouldn’t have been caught dead at work without pantyhose on, and I wouldn’t be caught dead with. Things change.
No one wants to date a yeti.
These young women don’t want to date men who think like this. It’s all good.
Exactly. It's not surprising, in that removing almost all body hair has been on trend for a while now. Time for trends to move on.
It's also a lot cheaper to just occasionally shave when you want to, most young people will find professional hair removal out of their reach. I'm all for natural body hair (my own) and there are men out there who are ok with it.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 16:23
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My 17 year old and all her friends shave their legs, armpits and get Brazilian waxes. Literally all of them. No hair anywhere.
How do you know this? Do examine all their pubic hair when they come over?
They discuss their waxing appointments in front of me.
It’s true that some teens go to waxing with their moms.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 16:17
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My 17 year old and all her friends shave their legs, armpits and get Brazilian waxes. Literally all of them. No hair anywhere.
How do you know this? Do examine all their pubic hair when they come over?
They discuss their waxing appointments in front of me.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 13:44
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Why can’t girls just be themselves ?
Anonymous
05/31/2023 13:27
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why some of you are so bent out of shape that many people find not shaving unattractive. Whether that is by preference, conditioning, or whatever the reason. I don't find it attractive. Lots do not.
Would I ever SAY anything or do anything about it? No. But, I would def think it. We can all agree that people should not shame someone for not shaving. But, it is fair to point out to my DD, for example, this is what people think. If she chooses not to shave . . . well, that's on her.
I get that ones getting all POd are the ones that WISH people felt different. Want to validate their choice. Or view the act of not shaving as some middle finger to beauty standards, or an act of independence or whatever. Fine. For you. That doesn't mean others have to feel that way. And lecturing people about your moral superiority just is not going to change that. Nor is labeling someone with those personal views "bullies" and worse. Shame on those of you doing that here. Own your decisions. But stick your a$$holery where the sun doesn't shine.
Oh come on, a lot of these commenters are calling girls who don't shave rude names like "yeti" and "gross." That's not the same thing has merely having a personal view.
I'm not bent out of shape about others calling hairy legs unattractive. Conventional beauty standards, which in our society by and large determine what is attractive and what isn't, definitely say that women and girls need to shave in order to be beautiful.
But the main point is that it is weird to say that teenage girls need to do something that they don't want to do so that they can fit conventional beauty standards and be attractive to men. I don't know how they feel totally comfortable saying that a teenage girl should go against her own preferences and change her behavior in order to conform to a man's preference. I don't care if DD shaves or not but I will never tell her that she should change in order to attract the attention of men (unless she asked for advice on how to do that).
The secondary point is that while the majority of men will not find a woman with armpit hair unattractive, there are many--millions in fact--who don't care.
First, I did not see "yeti" when I posted. Second, it's not "a lot", it's a few. Lots are saying they don't find it unattractive. And they are entitled to that. That is not "shaming." Finally, this is ANONYMOUS. I don't know anyone who would say this to someone in person. And they should not. That's the difference. But you should not equate that no one would say it to you with "they aren't thinking it."
In terms of "telling a teen girl they have to shave when they don't want to", I agree they should not be made to do so. But they should be aware of what a lot of people feel about that (notwithstanding the minority of men who find it attractive). And if they still choose it, then that's their choice. Good for them I guess.
If you're going to try and make an argument, leave the hyperbole out of it.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 12:52
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why some of you are so bent out of shape that many people find not shaving unattractive. Whether that is by preference, conditioning, or whatever the reason. I don't find it attractive. Lots do not.
Would I ever SAY anything or do anything about it? No. But, I would def think it. We can all agree that people should not shame someone for not shaving. But, it is fair to point out to my DD, for example, this is what people think. If she chooses not to shave . . . well, that's on her.
I get that ones getting all POd are the ones that WISH people felt different. Want to validate their choice. Or view the act of not shaving as some middle finger to beauty standards, or an act of independence or whatever. Fine. For you. That doesn't mean others have to feel that way. And lecturing people about your moral superiority just is not going to change that. Nor is labeling someone with those personal views "bullies" and worse. Shame on those of you doing that here. Own your decisions. But stick your a$$holery where the sun doesn't shine.
Oh come on, a lot of these commenters are calling girls who don't shave rude names like "yeti" and "gross." That's not the same thing has merely having a personal view.
I'm not bent out of shape about others calling hairy legs unattractive. Conventional beauty standards, which in our society by and large determine what is attractive and what isn't, definitely say that women and girls need to shave in order to be beautiful.
But the main point is that it is weird to say that teenage girls need to do something that they don't want to do so that they can fit conventional beauty standards and be attractive to men. I don't know how they feel totally comfortable saying that a teenage girl should go against her own preferences and change her behavior in order to conform to a man's preference. I don't care if DD shaves or not but I will never tell her that she should change in order to attract the attention of men (unless she asked for advice on how to do that).
The secondary point is that while the majority of men will not find a woman with armpit hair unattractive, there are many--millions in fact--who don't care.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 12:51
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:No. She’s 14 and has shaved before but she doesn’t like the feeling of it. Her skin is pale and her hair is very dark. She feels no shame.
Many of DD’s friends are the same, and they have also turned away from using deodorant for health reasons (although they do use Patchouli oil).
Anonymous
05/31/2023 12:40
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
I'm not sure why some of you are so bent out of shape that many people find not shaving unattractive. Whether that is by preference, conditioning, or whatever the reason. I don't find it attractive. Lots do not.
Would I ever SAY anything or do anything about it? No. But, I would def think it. We can all agree that people should not shame someone for not shaving. But, it is fair to point out to my DD, for example, this is what people think. If she chooses not to shave . . . well, that's on her.
I get that ones getting all POd are the ones that WISH people felt different. Want to validate their choice. Or view the act of not shaving as some middle finger to beauty standards, or an act of independence or whatever. Fine. For you. That doesn't mean others have to feel that way. And lecturing people about your moral superiority just is not going to change that. Nor is labeling someone with those personal views "bullies" and worse. Shame on those of you doing that here. Own your decisions. But stick your a$$holery where the sun doesn't shine.
Would I ever SAY anything or do anything about it? No. But, I would def think it. We can all agree that people should not shame someone for not shaving. But, it is fair to point out to my DD, for example, this is what people think. If she chooses not to shave . . . well, that's on her.
I get that ones getting all POd are the ones that WISH people felt different. Want to validate their choice. Or view the act of not shaving as some middle finger to beauty standards, or an act of independence or whatever. Fine. For you. That doesn't mean others have to feel that way. And lecturing people about your moral superiority just is not going to change that. Nor is labeling someone with those personal views "bullies" and worse. Shame on those of you doing that here. Own your decisions. But stick your a$$holery where the sun doesn't shine.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 12:28
Subject: Re:Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guarantee you these girls will start shaving once out in the real world.
So teenagers at the local pool and the high school locker room aren't living in the "real world"? Where are they, The Matrix? Limbo? The Underworld? Lucid dreaming a la "Vanilla Sky"? Do tell.
Lol. No they aren’t in the real world yet. How old are you? This makes me think you are a teenager?
DP. I'm 40. When people say that high school kids don't live in the real world, it seems like they are referring to the fact that high school kids don't know how hard it is to earn money. If you're talking about romantic pairings and dealing with what others think, the adult world is *much* better than freaking high school. It's way easier to deal with getting crap about something as an adult.
Don't know what your office is like, but I guarantee my coworkers have no idea whether or not I shave my underarms.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:57
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's so interesting to me that women are so concerned about men and boys not being attracted to certain traits of other women and girls. Why does the thought that a girl would do something that men find unattractive cause such angst in their hearts?
- and even if most men find it unattractive, she doesn’t need men anyway. She can just date girls. So there.
So someone can just become a lesbian that easily?
No, you’re right. But I’m the PP of the original comment and i live the second PP’s comment. It is funny how many people seem to forget about lesbians! It’s so amusing to me, the doom and gloom people spread about our daughters being unattractive to a man when DD would far prefer repelling men than attracting them.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:54
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's so interesting to me that women are so concerned about men and boys not being attracted to certain traits of other women and girls. Why does the thought that a girl would do something that men find unattractive cause such angst in their hearts?
- and even if most men find it unattractive, she doesn’t need men anyway. She can just date girls. So there.
Oh God. You do realize that some girls like shaving too?
Well beauty is on the inside, so anyone who’d judge her as somehow unattractive just because of leg hair is a small-minded person, whose not worth dating anyway.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:52
Subject: Re:Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guarantee you these girls will start shaving once out in the real world.
So teenagers at the local pool and the high school locker room aren't living in the "real world"? Where are they, The Matrix? Limbo? The Underworld? Lucid dreaming a la "Vanilla Sky"? Do tell.
Lol. No they aren’t in the real world yet. How old are you? This makes me think you are a teenager?
You are probably a 40-something who grew up in the totally waxed world of the 90s/early aughts. These kids are living in a different world than you. Their ways are not your ways, and likely never will be. They are the trendsetters and tastemakers of their world. You are basically dead to them. Did you dress and groom just like your grandparents?
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:48
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's so interesting to me that women are so concerned about men and boys not being attracted to certain traits of other women and girls. Why does the thought that a girl would do something that men find unattractive cause such angst in their hearts?
- and even if most men find it unattractive, she doesn’t need men anyway. She can just date girls. So there.
So someone can just become a lesbian that easily?
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:47
Subject: Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's so interesting to me that women are so concerned about men and boys not being attracted to certain traits of other women and girls. Why does the thought that a girl would do something that men find unattractive cause such angst in their hearts?
- and even if most men find it unattractive, she doesn’t need men anyway. She can just date girls. So there.
Oh God. You do realize that some girls like shaving too?
Anonymous
05/31/2023 11:42
Subject: Re:Does your DD shave her legs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Guarantee you these girls will start shaving once out in the real world.
So teenagers at the local pool and the high school locker room aren't living in the "real world"? Where are they, The Matrix? Limbo? The Underworld? Lucid dreaming a la "Vanilla Sky"? Do tell.
Lol. No they aren’t in the real world yet. How old are you? This makes me think you are a teenager?
Honey, I'll try to go slow so you can keep up. People at different stages of life have different responsibilities, but that does not mean they are not living in the real world. They are, they are just at different life stages. And right now, if a teenage girl wants to shave her legs, great. If not, fine. That's real. There are no drastic merits or consequences either way. I'm glad I could help you out.
I didn’t say it wasn’t fine? I simply said I guarantee they will start shaving once out in the real world. I guess it should be “life stage.” Lol
Dp. I find it funny when adults tell teens not to do something just because everyone else is but regarding this topic peer pressure...bring it on!
I don’t understand your comment’s relevance to my assertion that teens change. When they become adults, they may think differently. They may start shaving then.