Anonymous wrote:It's more complicated than that but the gist is that yes God is the only one that saves us and we can't save ourselves but he wants us to be like him so there is a process to get there either on earth or to be with him in heaven. Some Christian religions focus on the process more than others.

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Anonymous wrote:What I meant is that they all of a sudden see themselves very positively as if now that they belong to God, God can wipe away their sins and they are now somewhat godlike in behavior. But they haven't really done the work to change habits, so they succumb to bad habits easily. It's not a disciplined way of life for them at least during the time they are born again.

Born again believe you go to heaven if you " accept Jesus as your savior." so yes no need to change behavior. It's popular with drug addicts and alcoholics.

Catholicism requires you to repent and change to go to heaven.

Anonymous wrote:What I meant is that they all of a sudden see themselves very positively as if now that they belong to God, God can wipe away their sins and they are now somewhat godlike in behavior. But they haven't really done the work to change habits, so they succumb to bad habits easily. It's not a disciplined way of life for them at least during the time they are born again.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes this is what came out of it. She was peppy and a good captain otherwise so it was a shame. I also finally understood why born again christians can be toxic. They feel empowered that their sins have been wiped away and are too driven by God controlling them anew to realize they have to do the hard work of actually fixing their toxic behaviors.

Born again Christians don’t think God “controls them.” People can be toxic no matter their religion, or lack of religion.

Toxic behavior is a different than sin. My brother in law is an atheist and he’s extremely toxic. He has zero care or regard for the feelings and opinions of other people to the point he’s basically a loner and has no friends.

Agreed - Anyone can be toxic, with or without religion. It's a personality trait available to all.

Born again Christians don't think that God controls them in the sense that they are robots for God. They believe that God is guiding them.

Funny - my brother-in-law is a born-again Christian, who is just as much a pain in the a_ _ as he was before he was saved. Now he invokes Jesus more.

Born again Christians don’t think God guides them. Where are you getting your information on born again Christians?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes this is what came out of it. She was peppy and a good captain otherwise so it was a shame. I also finally understood why born again christians can be toxic. They feel empowered that their sins have been wiped away and are too driven by God controlling them anew to realize they have to do the hard work of actually fixing their toxic behaviors.

Born again Christians don’t think God “controls them.” People can be toxic no matter their religion, or lack of religion.

Toxic behavior is a different than sin. My brother in law is an atheist and he’s extremely toxic. He has zero care or regard for the feelings and opinions of other people to the point he’s basically a loner and has no friends.

Agreed - Anyone can be toxic, with or without religion. It's a personality trait available to all.

Born again Christians don't think that God controls them in the sense that they are robots for God. They believe that God is guiding them.

Funny - my brother-in-law is a born-again Christian, who is just as much a pain in the a_ _ as he was before he was saved. Now he invokes Jesus more.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes this is what came out of it. She was peppy and a good captain otherwise so it was a shame. I also finally understood why born again christians can be toxic. They feel empowered that their sins have been wiped away and are too driven by God controlling them anew to realize they have to do the hard work of actually fixing their toxic behaviors.

Born again Christians don’t think God “controls them.” People can be toxic no matter their religion, or lack of religion.

Toxic behavior is a different than sin. My brother in law is an atheist and he’s extremely toxic. He has zero care or regard for the feelings and opinions of other people to the point he’s basically a loner and has no friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes this is what came out of it. She was peppy and a good captain otherwise so it was a shame. I also finally understood why born again christians can be toxic. They feel empowered that their sins have been wiped away and are too driven by God controlling them anew to realize they have to do the hard work of actually fixing their toxic behaviors.

Born again Christians don’t think God “controls them.” People can be toxic no matter their religion, or lack of religion.

Toxic behavior is a different than sin. My brother in law is an atheist and he’s extremely toxic. He has zero care or regard for the feelings and opinions of other people to the point he’s basically a loner and has no friends.

Anonymous wrote:Yes this is what came out of it. She was peppy and a good captain otherwise so it was a shame. I also finally understood why born again christians can be toxic. They feel empowered that their sins have been wiped away and are too driven by God controlling them anew to realize they have to do the hard work of actually fixing their toxic behaviors.

Anonymous wrote:This happened at my public high school and it was so uncomfortable. The captain would call everyone in for a pep talk and then a prayer and you couldn't really leave. I was angry the coach let this teammate do this every week. She was also not a nice person and constantly tried to get favors that no other player or captain ever got before. We all made her captain hoping that would be enough control for her since she was bossy even though she was one of the weakest players, but no. It just gave her more power.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports is not just about the outcome is the game in terms of wins and losses. That's what we the fans see, but when I'm competing what I'm thinking about is planting my properly so that I don't get injured and all that must go right in order for that to work correctly. It is indeed a prayer. Whether we win or lose, we gave people of whatever faiths, I will be praying for them because I do not wish injury on as anyone. We play these games for joy, not to get injured.

If you choose to not participate then that's your choice and I will not force you. But this is not about winning and losing.

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But sports often result in injury. There's a whole field of sports medicine and ambulances are often parked at sporting events just waiting for an accident. So it seems like sports prayers are not working and that people really don't expect them to work.

Maybe the prayers make you feel better, calm you. Fine. but they certainly don't offer protection from injuries.

You are talking out your backside. You don’t know how anyone’s prayers work- and honestly telling people about their faith and how their faith works/doesn’t work is utterly rude and disrespectful. Your parents did a terrible job raising you. On second thought, perhaps they did a great job- and you have decided to become a know it all jerk on your own terms.

Do you tell people irl that their prayers don’t work and deem to educate them on their faith? I have a hard time believing you would talk to someone like this irl.

If you are an adult- you have to be one of the atheists who posts incessantly about being shunned by society and having to fight for civil rights. You are as bad as a nosy, ignorant evangelical who runs around trying to convince everyone that they need to get in their specific church. It’s horrible.

I can firmly say the atheists that post here are not nicer, more open-minded, tolerant, etc, than religious people. They are worse in their speech, manners, and have no ideas that inspire or bring hope or peace to anyone.

So Christians can evangelize but other people cannot put their viewpoint forth?

Depends on the Christian -- If they're not too aggressive, it's OK. Lots of believing Christians don't like evangelists who push their particular brand of Christianity that is different from other, non-aggressive Christian believers.