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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

And these people included more than just elderly and vulnerable. Healthy kids were even a part of this.

Sure majority of those in their teens/20s are not going to die immediately from Covid, but they stand a good chance of getting Long Covid. We don't fully understand what this will mean in 3-5-10years, but most medical experts believe it will be an issue and we are already seeing some of it. So sure risk your kid's entire future life for getting covid now--I hope for their sakes they do not end up with Long covid as it is not a good thing.

We can still live life, but it would be nice if we had some precautions in place---better ventilation for schools and all public places, people wearing masks when they go to public places---not that hard to wear a mask for the 30 mins you are in target or the grocery store, not sending your kids to school or going to work yourself if you are sick/still testing positive for covid, etc. We can find a happy medium between 2020 and "let's pretend covid is gone or only a minor cold".

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I can tell who in this thread spends too much time on Twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

Oh, sweetheart, sorry to burst your bubble of delusion. However, Covid is still here, still quite serious, and yes, still kills a fair amount of people. Secondly, even mild cases can contribute to blood clots for up to a year. Repeated infections adds to that risk. No, this isn't over, mmkay?

I'll share a story that for most people will hopefully make them feel really positive. I think for some of you like the immediate poster above it will just annoy you in some way but sharing anyway.

My 87 year old father is in a nursing home. They had a recent outbreak of 15 residents and 10 staff. Worst they've had since early pandemic days. They are all fine. No one was even seriously ill. They knew how to handle it and had a plan, residents were treated quickly with paxlovid. The outbreak was contained relatively quickly.

Think of that compared to what was happening in the early days in Seattle area in the nursing homes.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gone off the rails. I'm one of the nevers but I did have a horrible virus the first week of March 2020 that I assumed was the flu because my younger one was also sick at the time and had tested positive w/Flu A. But this virus ripped through his preschool like wildfire and some of the people who were sick at the time went for flu testing and did not test positive for the flu, which at the time we were like hmmm, that's weird but obviously didn't suspect covid. The virus I had was very flu-like but it did come with a horrible cough that lingered for weeks and even up until March 13th when everything was shutting down and I remember being at work with this cough (back when we used to go to work with mild symptoms) trying to convince others that I did not have this new thing we were calling covid. I don't know why I haven't had covid, but I would love to participate in a study to look into further. I know very few nevers (my whole family has had covid at various times and I still did not get it or have any covid symptoms during the the past 3 years, unless I was somehow asymptomatic) and I feel like we are a dwindling number. One my fellow nevers just got covid a few weeks ago--super athletic healthy person--but it really took her down for a week. She said she felt very sick even though she had been vaxxed, so it's still out there.

I'm another "never," although two of my kids definitely had COVID and another likely had it in March of 2020. We test for symptoms. While I have never tested positive for COVID, I have had two hellacious colds since the beginning of COVID, so perhaps they offered protection? In addition, I was extremely cautious and limited my activities for the first two years of the pandemic. I also mask in public places.

Anonymous wrote:This thread has gone off the rails. I'm one of the nevers but I did have a horrible virus the first week of March 2020 that I assumed was the flu because my younger one was also sick at the time and had tested positive w/Flu A. But this virus ripped through his preschool like wildfire and some of the people who were sick at the time went for flu testing and did not test positive for the flu, which at the time we were like hmmm, that's weird but obviously didn't suspect covid. The virus I had was very flu-like but it did come with a horrible cough that lingered for weeks and even up until March 13th when everything was shutting down and I remember being at work with this cough (back when we used to go to work with mild symptoms) trying to convince others that I did not have this new thing we were calling covid. I don't know why I haven't had covid, but I would love to participate in a study to look into further. I know very few nevers (my whole family has had covid at various times and I still did not get it or have any covid symptoms during the the past 3 years, unless I was somehow asymptomatic) and I feel like we are a dwindling number. One my fellow nevers just got covid a few weeks ago--super athletic healthy person--but it really took her down for a week. She said she felt very sick even though she had been vaxxed, so it's still out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

And these people included more than just elderly and vulnerable. Healthy kids were even a part of this.

Sure majority of those in their teens/20s are not going to die immediately from Covid, but they stand a good chance of getting Long Covid. We don't fully understand what this will mean in 3-5-10years, but most medical experts believe it will be an issue and we are already seeing some of it. So sure risk your kid's entire future life for getting covid now--I hope for their sakes they do not end up with Long covid as it is not a good thing.

We can still live life, but it would be nice if we had some precautions in place---better ventilation for schools and all public places, people wearing masks when they go to public places---not that hard to wear a mask for the 30 mins you are in target or the grocery store, not sending your kids to school or going to work yourself if you are sick/still testing positive for covid, etc. We can find a happy medium between 2020 and "let's pretend covid is gone or only a minor cold".

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

Dead fathers and brothers, mothers and daughters are real losses. Even if they are beyond what you see as their peak years of productivity.

Are you Republican? I find you survival of the fittest/Lord of the Flies mindset to be sickening.

My brother died of COVID the first month of the pandemic. Vaccines were not available for the first year it was spreading.

But go ahead and feel superior because you did not die. Those weak, useless grandparents, and kids with cancer or other chronic illnesses. good riddance.

You read the wrong bolded sentence.

Probably the saddest outcome of covid...the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks

Multiple things can be true at once. It's terrible people died. I know some. It can also be true that many people were never at much risk and behaved as if they were (and still do) because they were and are bad at assessing risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

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And teachers in states that were open died at unprecedented rates.

Live in your web of lies.

Where is the data on this? How do you know they died of covid at rates higher than other professions in these open states?

The death rates are easily found. Google is your friend. Compare Fla to Maryland. It’s sad his many senseless deaths there were.

Also look at the death rates of grocery store workers and people working in warehouses.. especially for food. The rate of death is double those who could stay safe at home.

Ignorance is bliss apparently.

So the answer is teachers didn't die at higher rates than other professions in these open states. The answer is there were many other professions that died at higher rates (police, fire, health industry, restaurant and hotel industry, warehouse workers..people who are forced to be in genuine close proximity to others through the nature of their job) and in every state people who could hole up in their house fared much better.

No one is ignorant that people who could stay at home were safer and pretty sure most of the people on this board fall squarely in that category so get over yourself with your moralizing lectures and remind yourself of all the instacart shopping and takeout you used while zooming in your pajamas.

Teachers were among the many professions that died at a higher rate including day care workers, warehouse workers. Etc.

Teachers who taught by zoom died at a lower rate.

So we agree those who could stay home were safer and teacher who could not stay home were not safer.

The bolded is just flat out not true. Teachers are not child care workers. Teachers actually fared very well. Google to find news coverage of this topic or look at the study the person posted previously.

There is no evidence that teachers who taught by zoom died at a lower rate than teachers who did not. In fact there was a lot more data out there during the whether to open school debates that schools were not drivers of spreading covid when they were open but merely reflected community spread if and when it was happening.

Google Texas teacher death rate to see your assertion is wrong.

Educators… died at a higher rate than professionals but lower than childcare. But educators include board of education, trainers, teacher who could use zoom and curriculum writers

Okay, I found the one study you're talking about and lots of holes were poked in it.

The other study linked to is 46 states and NYC and was done by CDC. You're making far too broad of a claim with the data you have.

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Anonymous wrote:My immediate family has never tested positive. I have no idea how.

If in 2023 you still have no idea how people who had close and prolonged exposure to Covid still don't get it, you need to better educate yourself.

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