Anonymous
05/19/2023 08:23
Subject: Re:Is this how thin people eat?
People who are naturally thin eat whatever they want and stay thin. People who tend toward being overweight but remain thin or at a healthy weight work at it nearly every day, being careful to keep calorie consumption in control, eat high quality, nutritious foods, and exercise.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 21:07
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
I'm thin and I eat a lot. A lot of junk food but also a lot of good food. My metabolism is just turbo-charged. Some of that is genetic but my theory is that I've been always so active through my life my metabolism is just constantly revved up. On average I walk or run 20,000 steps a day and I do resistance training 3x a week. I also don't sit for long periods. I WFH, but my schedule is flexible enough such that I alternate between work, errands, and workouts throughout the day. Rarely am I sitting down for more than two hours straight.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 17:14
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Huge +1. I can think of many, many sets of adult siblings where the variance is stark and clearly a result of personal choices
If you found out it was actually hormones and brain chemistry, what would that mean about your worldview for you?
I have seen how these people eat, so.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 17:05
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
This is debunked garbage. You should spend some time with modern research and update yourself to the current medical and scientific understanding.
You don’t need scientific research to tell you that you don’t need 4 pieces of pizza or a double burger and large fries. This is common knowledge, whether you are full or not.
I could and often want to eat a lot more than I do. My appetite is definitely larger than the amount of food my body needs. But I maintain my weight by being in tune with how much my body actually needs and burns vs how much I actually want to eat.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 15:31
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The short answer is yes.
I'm a bit shorter and eat 1200 calories a day. I'm very active and was a D1 athlete in college. The person who said you can't get all the nutrients is wrong. You need to eat a wide variety of different food, mostly veggies and lean meat. Just control you portion size. Children, small people, and slim folks get all the nutrients they need and just have smaller sizes. In the end it's all math - calories in and calories out.
This has been debunked multiple times in the past few years.
Uh, no, I'm a doctor, it has not been debunked....although many people want it to be, so there are a few pop science articles claiming this.
My mother works at a hospital and I've eaten in the staff cafeteria. Doctors have absolutely terrible diets. Every time I'm there they're loading up on cheeseburgers and fries. Doctor, heal thyself.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 15:29
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The short answer is yes.
I'm a bit shorter and eat 1200 calories a day. I'm very active and was a D1 athlete in college. The person who said you can't get all the nutrients is wrong. You need to eat a wide variety of different food, mostly veggies and lean meat. Just control you portion size. Children, small people, and slim folks get all the nutrients they need and just have smaller sizes. In the end it's all math - calories in and calories out.
This has been debunked multiple times in the past few years.
Uh, no, I'm a doctor, it has not been debunked....although many people want it to be, so there are a few pop science articles claiming this.
Don't make me laugh. What doctors know about nutrition and obesity would fit on the head of a pin. I'd as soon take nutritional advice from a doctor as from my mailman.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 15:23
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?
Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.
You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.
Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102
You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."
No you are wrong.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/obesity-lifestyle-genes-heredity/2020/01/09/id/949092/
Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population
The study: "Food Habits Are More Important Than Most Important Obesity Risk Gene"
Did you read past the title? The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition. But you are still more than twice as likely to be obese as someone without that gene.
It's both. Do you not see that?
Yes, I see that. Do you? Are you willing to concede that some people are genetically predisposed to be obese? And that maintaining a healthy weight will be much harder for those people than for those who don't have that genetic predisposition? And that is why twins raised apart have BMIs that are almost as similar as the BMIs of twins raised together?
To quote myself from upthread:
Genetics aren't everything.
Now I will quote you from upthread:
The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition.
Are you willing to concede that genetics aren't everything and your diet and activity levels matter? You seem to acknowledge my point and yet feel threatened by it. It's not personal.
Of course, you can overcome your genetics with diet and exercise. My point is that it's much harder for some people than others. I get frustrated with the endless "it's just calories in, calories out" posts and (on this thread) the assertions that people with bigger appetites have just "trained" themselves to feel that way with years of overeating.
FWIW, I am not even overweight. But I am one of those average-sized people who has to constantly think about food in order to keep myself from becoming overweight. And I feel like the glib posters who say "it's just calories in, calories out" don't understand that they were born on third base.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 15:08
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?
Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.
You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.
Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102
You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."
No you are wrong.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/obesity-lifestyle-genes-heredity/2020/01/09/id/949092/
Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population
The study: "Food Habits Are More Important Than Most Important Obesity Risk Gene"
Did you read past the title? The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition. But you are still more than twice as likely to be obese as someone without that gene.
It's both. Do you not see that?
Yes, I see that. Do you? Are you willing to concede that some people are genetically predisposed to be obese? And that maintaining a healthy weight will be much harder for those people than for those who don't have that genetic predisposition? And that is why twins raised apart have BMIs that are almost as similar as the BMIs of twins raised together?
To quote myself from upthread:
Genetics aren't everything.
Now I will quote you from upthread:
The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition.
Are you willing to concede that genetics aren't everything and your diet and activity levels matter? You seem to acknowledge my point and yet feel threatened by it. It's not personal.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:56
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The short answer is yes.
I'm a bit shorter and eat 1200 calories a day. I'm very active and was a D1 athlete in college. The person who said you can't get all the nutrients is wrong. You need to eat a wide variety of different food, mostly veggies and lean meat. Just control you portion size. Children, small people, and slim folks get all the nutrients they need and just have smaller sizes. In the end it's all math - calories in and calories out.
This has been debunked multiple times in the past few years.
Uh, no, I'm a doctor, it has not been debunked....although many people want it to be, so there are a few pop science articles claiming this.
Oh good, a doctor. How many calories of deficit do you need to lose a lb of fat?
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:54
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?
Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.
You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.
Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102
You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."
No you are wrong.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/obesity-lifestyle-genes-heredity/2020/01/09/id/949092/
Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population
The study: "Food Habits Are More Important Than Most Important Obesity Risk Gene"
Did you read past the title? The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition. But you are still more than twice as likely to be obese as someone without that gene.
It's both. Do you not see that?
Yes, I see that. Do you? Are you willing to concede that some people are genetically predisposed to be obese? And that maintaining a healthy weight will be much harder for those people than for those who don't have that genetic predisposition? And that is why twins raised apart have BMIs that are almost as similar as the BMIs of twins raised together?
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:52
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The short answer is yes.
I'm a bit shorter and eat 1200 calories a day. I'm very active and was a D1 athlete in college. The person who said you can't get all the nutrients is wrong. You need to eat a wide variety of different food, mostly veggies and lean meat. Just control you portion size. Children, small people, and slim folks get all the nutrients they need and just have smaller sizes. In the end it's all math - calories in and calories out.
This has been debunked multiple times in the past few years.
Uh, no, I'm a doctor, it has not been debunked....although many people want it to be, so there are a few pop science articles claiming this.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:48
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?
Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.
You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.
Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102
You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."
No you are wrong.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/obesity-lifestyle-genes-heredity/2020/01/09/id/949092/
Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population
The study: "Food Habits Are More Important Than Most Important Obesity Risk Gene"
Did you read past the title? The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition. But you are still more than twice as likely to be obese as someone without that gene.
It's both. Do you not see that?
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:47
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Huge +1. I can think of many, many sets of adult siblings where the variance is stark and clearly a result of personal choices
Yes. The stroke belt is a cultural phenomenon, not a regional genetic variance.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:46
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Is this a common finding in twin obesity studies, or an outlier?
Where the twins live has more of an influence than genes. One lives in Mississippi, one is in Colorado.
You're the only one talking about studies. The onus is on you to find it.
Here you go: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199005243222102
You are wrong, genetics are much more important than environment. "We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of earlier studies of twins and adoptees."
No you are wrong.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911072840.htm
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/obesity-lifestyle-genes-heredity/2020/01/09/id/949092/
Are you serious? The study you cited shows that people with that one gene marker are over twice as likely to be obese as the general population
The study: "Food Habits Are More Important Than Most Important Obesity Risk Gene"
Did you read past the title? The study showed that, by restricting your diet, someone genetically predisposed to obesity can overcome their genetic predisposition. But you are still more than twice as likely to be obese as someone without that gene.
Anonymous
05/18/2023 14:43
Subject: Is this how thin people eat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok but all of the “it’s about your appetite / the size of your stomach” posts are ignoring the fact that the average thin person has trained their body to not want to overeat by…not overeating. And vice versa
I have not 'trained' anything. I have been like this my whole life. It is genetics. I don't see why some people do not get this.
My husband is an identical twin. He and his brother were both rail thin until their late 20s. Now my husband is the thin twin, BIL is the fat twin. Genetics aren't everything.
Huge +1. I can think of many, many sets of adult siblings where the variance is stark and clearly a result of personal choices
Why is it clear that it's "personal choices" and not different brain chemistry/hormones? Did my younger son make a "personal choice" to have a way bigger appetite than his brother?