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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

This is such a dumb analysis.

The two facts that refute your argument are 1) Basis has the highest PARCC scores in 9th grade of any public school in DC (including Walls, which supposedly selects the top students in DC) and 2) Basis has the highest average SAT score of any public school in DC (including Walls). Does that mean the Basis has the smartest cohort of students of any public school in DC? Or that Basis does the best job of educating kids of any public school in DC? Or both?

Other facts that refute your argument:

1) Location matters. Lots of kids go from Capitol Hill because it is convenient. I am sure the Maury numbers are pretty close to 10 since there are a ton of Maury kids at Basis.

2) The numbers in the chart just reflect who went, not who applied. Lots of kids with rights to Deal, Hardy, and the schools you mentioned get rejected because they receive a bad lottery number.

3) Other than a big cluster at Capitol Hill, Basis kids are spread out all over DC. That is a good thing. So what that most of the numbers for individual elementary schools are <10?; there are only 135 kids who get in 5th grade at Basis and DC is a big area. Plus, there are more kids at Basis from the JR boundary than any other except for Eastern.

4) Because under its charter Basis has to admit under a 100% lottery system with no grade-level placement test, Basis generally only admits in 5th grade and doesn’t backfill. That means that they lose a lot of students due to natural attrition and kids who just can’t handle the advanced curriculum. As a result, Basis doesn’t want large numbers to apply and a high yield for 5th grade because that will hurt them in the long run; rather, they prefer to enroll really good and motivated students who will thrive at the school. That is why self-selection matters. No one cares how many kids apply every year to Basis or what the yield is because Basis wants to accept students who can handle an advanced curriculum; a lot of people just put down Basis as an "option" without really knowing much about the school. What matters to Basis is attracting and keeping top students. That is why testing numbers are important (see above) and your arguments are irrelevant. In fact, if 1000 kids applied to Basis for 5th grade every year and there was a 100% acceptance rate, that would be bad for the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

This is such a dumb analysis.

The two facts that refute your argument are 1) Basis has the highest PARCC scores in 9th grade of any public school in DC (including Walls, which supposedly selects the top students in DC) and 2) Basis has the highest average SAT score of any public school in DC (including Walls). Does that mean the Basis has the smartest cohort of students of any public school in DC? Or that Basis does the best job of educating kids of any public school in DC? Or both?

Other facts that refute your argument:

1) Location matters. Lots of kids go from Capitol Hill because it is convenient. I am sure the Maury numbers are pretty close to 10 since there are a ton of Maury kids at Basis.

2) The numbers in the chart just reflect who went, not who applied. Lots of kids with rights to Deal, Hardy, and the schools you mentioned get rejected because they receive a bad lottery number.

3) Other than a big cluster at Capitol Hill, Basis kids are spread out all over DC. That is a good thing. So what that most of the numbers for individual elementary schools are <10?; there are only 135 kids who get in 5th grade at Basis and DC is a big area. Plus, there are more kids at Basis from the JR boundary than any other except for Eastern.

4) Because under its charter Basis has to admit under a 100% lottery system with no grade-level placement test, Basis generally only admits in 5th grade and doesn’t backfill. That means that they lose a lot of students due to natural attrition and kids who just can’t handle the advanced curriculum. As a result, Basis doesn’t want large numbers to apply and a high yield for 5th grade because that will hurt them in the long run; rather, they prefer to enroll really good and motivated students who will thrive at the school. That is why self-selection matters. No one cares how many kids apply every year to Basis or what the yield is because Basis wants to accept students who can handle an advanced curriculum; a lot of people just put down Basis as an "option" without really knowing much about the school. What matters to Basis is attracting and keeping top students. That is why testing numbers are important (see above) and your arguments are irrelevant. In fact, if 1000 kids applied to Basis for 5th grade every year and there was a 100% acceptance rate, that would be bad for the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

You're missing a big factor though -- location. We're a Deal-feeder family with a kid at Basis. It's a major PITA to get to and makes it really hard. We do it, because DC loves it, but I guarantee if it were in Tenlytown, there would be plenty of Deal kids who would consider it. I'm not saying it would attract everyone (it's a very specific school, for sure), but the fact that it's easy to get to from the Hill matters a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

+1. And I don’t see any recent posts actually claiming that lots of Brent kids go to Jefferson. So I’m not sure who that other poster is arguing with.

I think the brightness of Jefferson’s future will have little to do with how many Brent parents choose the school. And I say this as the parent of a Jefferson kid who came from Brent.

Looking at A-B’s PARCC scores and, tbh, VN’s to a lesser extent, I’m not sure a heavy feed from those schools is likely to be a positive for those looking for academic rigor.

Whatever. The point was made that Jefferson and Eliot-Hine are similarly situated. And if PARCC scores are your thing, then that is certainly true with respect to the two schools.

The point was that they are not similar situated in terms of momentum from ESes w/ substantial UMC populations. Maury and Payne both have larger UMC & smaller at-risk populations than VN, A-B and Tyler (esp non-Spanish track). Also, Payne is gentrifying quickly; VN has been moving the other direction. Buy-in from Maury (especially) and Payne is not the same as buy-in from the non-Brent Jefferson feeders in terms of momentum for academic rigor/a cohort of kids on/ahead of grade level.

NP. +1000 Pretty much nailed it. The denial is strong with the Brent folks. Otherwise intelligent people seem unwilling to see what is plainly there.

-Signed, Someone not IB for any of these schools without a horse in this race

It's the same reason folks will be more interested in the size of the L-T feed to SH than the JOW feed. (I also think that JOW could see a huge spike in IB buy-in once the renovation is complete, esp with the unrest at TR, which could change things there. But right now it's so heavily OOB, that its feed to SH isn't of that much interest.)

OMG. You and I need to have a glass of wine. Totally agree. JOW is a sleeping giant once the reno is complete. TR4 is basically a local school right now. As the upper ES and MS of TR are increasingly exposed I think a lot of families are going to choose a beautiful brand new building with an amazing playground and a path to SH over a TR in decline.

Can someone decode this please?? JOW, TR4, SH, L-T

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know. The data says Jefferson 6th grade this year had 27 students from Van Ness, 16 from Tyler, and 22 from Amidon. I think the trend is somewhat similar to EH. It is just not driven by Brent.

+1. And I don’t see any recent posts actually claiming that lots of Brent kids go to Jefferson. So I’m not sure who that other poster is arguing with.

I think the brightness of Jefferson’s future will have little to do with how many Brent parents choose the school. And I say this as the parent of a Jefferson kid who came from Brent.

Looking at A-B’s PARCC scores and, tbh, VN’s to a lesser extent, I’m not sure a heavy feed from those schools is likely to be a positive for those looking for academic rigor.

Whatever. The point was made that Jefferson and Eliot-Hine are similarly situated. And if PARCC scores are your thing, then that is certainly true with respect to the two schools.

The point was that they are not similar situated in terms of momentum from ESes w/ substantial UMC populations. Maury and Payne both have larger UMC & smaller at-risk populations than VN, A-B and Tyler (esp non-Spanish track). Also, Payne is gentrifying quickly; VN has been moving the other direction. Buy-in from Maury (especially) and Payne is not the same as buy-in from the non-Brent Jefferson feeders in terms of momentum for academic rigor/a cohort of kids on/ahead of grade level.

NP. +1000 Pretty much nailed it. The denial is strong with the Brent folks. Otherwise intelligent people seem unwilling to see what is plainly there.

-Signed, Someone not IB for any of these schools without a horse in this race

It's the same reason folks will be more interested in the size of the L-T feed to SH than the JOW feed. (I also think that JOW could see a huge spike in IB buy-in once the renovation is complete, esp with the unrest at TR, which could change things there. But right now it's so heavily OOB, that its feed to SH isn't of that much interest.)

OMG. You and I need to have a glass of wine. Totally agree. JOW is a sleeping giant once the reno is complete. TR4 is basically a local school right now. As the upper ES and MS of TR are increasingly exposed I think a lot of families are going to choose a beautiful brand new building with an amazing playground and a path to SH over a TR in decline.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…