Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCAS system is a better way IMO. And yes, they have elite schools too and a lot of kids with hopes pinned to them.

I'm not sure why private colleges that take federal money (ie 95%) don't have a US rate and a non-USA rate.

The US would have to fund higher education a lot more to have the kind of say you want. Yes, professors are funded by federal grants, but the benefits of those grants for society and private business in terms of both R&D, improved policy, and workforce training are estimated to be an easy 10fold return in the relative short-term and far more in the long-term. Yes, some students are funded by loans, but it would be easier and cheaper for colleges to say you can't pay, you can't come and just teach the UMC/wealthy. The benefits you are pointing to benefit society more than they do the colleges/universities so the government doesn't have a lot of bargaining power with colleges/universities.

Not really. If federal funds were tied to tuition, schools would find a way to cut fat to bring down tuition and keep federal money

Anonymous wrote:UCAS system is a better way IMO. And yes, they have elite schools too and a lot of kids with hopes pinned to them.

I'm not sure why private colleges that take federal money (ie 95%) don't have a US rate and a non-USA rate.

The US would have to fund higher education a lot more to have the kind of say you want. Yes, professors are funded by federal grants, but the benefits of those grants for society and private business in terms of both R&D, improved policy, and workforce training are estimated to be an easy 10fold return in the relative short-term and far more in the long-term. Yes, some students are funded by loans, but it would be easier and cheaper for colleges to say you can't pay, you can't come and just teach the UMC/wealthy. The benefits you are pointing to benefit society more than they do the colleges/universities so the government doesn't have a lot of bargaining power with colleges/universities.

UCAS system is a better way IMO. And yes, they have elite schools too and a lot of kids with hopes pinned to them.

I'm not sure why private colleges that take federal money (ie 95%) don't have a US rate and a non-USA rate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

Nobody is saying that.

What people are saying is that no one has come up with a better way so far, and all of the changes suggested will not help colleges or students, nor will they magically make more slots available at elite colleges. Because let’s face it what no one admits is they only care about these factors at 30 or 40 colleges in the country for the most part.

Because there is NOT a better way. As long as there are way more kids than spots applying for those T25-40 colleges and their 500-2000 slots each year, kids will be rejected more than they are accepted. And that kid rejected might be yours. But you can change how you approach this. Have a balanced list and realize that reach schools are just that and if your smart kid does not get in, they will be just fine where they land, with the correct attitude. With a balanced list, your kid will get into most of their targets and safeties---It works well if you realize that. So get your kid excited about where they know they can get in, and let it be a surprise/excitment if they somehow get into a highly rejective school. No kid should have a "dream school" that they sulk about for weeks after getting rejected. No kid should NOT be able to get excited about targets and safeties---you have done it wrong if they can't do that.

Anonymous wrote:I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

Thanks for the Cynicism 101 lecture.

Anonymous wrote:I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

Nobody is saying that.

What people are saying is that no one has come up with a better way so far, and all of the changes suggested will not help colleges or students, nor will they magically make more slots available at elite colleges. Because let’s face it what no one admits is they only care about these factors at 30 or 40 colleges in the country for the most part.

Enforce the equal protection clause and get rid of white-leaning programs like legacy admissions. I think this is a done deal anyway.

Anonymous wrote:Cap ED.

Can only apply to 1 ED school. So it is already capped.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

I don’t love or think it can’t be improved. But I’m a realist and also tend to be pragmatic and most of the posted suggestions, including the OP’s are unrealistic.

+1000

This is like telling car dealers they have to negotiate and can't sell their cars for more than MSRP. The market dictates what happens in both instances. You as the consumer have the choice whether to participate or go elsewhere (and for college that means one of the 2000+ universities that are affordable and don't fill their class with such a high percentage of ED students. But it's not reasonable to expect universities to give that up. Ultimately they are a business and it's a good way for them to ensure they have enough freshman come fall.

Anonymous wrote:I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

Why would colleges ever agree to that method? They are a business. Their goal is to fill their freshman class with X students with a certain percent being full pay down to some on full FA. They want a mix for all their majors---they have a balanced faculty and staff and need to fill classes with them and not overfill certain majors.
If they can fill 75% of their class with ED, why wouldn't they? And then do what many elite do, and know that they can pull another large group from the "ED deferral list" and be 95% certain the kid will say yes. Their goal is to put X number of kids in their freshman class the next fall. They want kids who want to be there and won't cancel or decide otherwise over the summer. As long as they can "balance" their class with the right socio-economic, geographic, majors, etc why do they care if it's done in Dec or May 1? If anything the Dec gives them more security.

Yes, college admissions is "not 100% fair" for the T50 schools. Not much in life is "100% fair". But outside of that, is is largely not a stressful process. Want stress free and "fair", then apply to schools ranked 50+ and you will be fairly accurate with where your kid will get in based on stats. Yes life isn't fair that you make $200K and did not save enough for Larlo to attend U of X for $80K and they wont give you FA. But much about life isn't fair and many cannot afford many things in life. However, there are still hundreds of Excellent options for college and for your kid to obtain an education they can afford. And just think of the people who are trying to raise a family on $60K---I bet they would happily switch places with you for the last 18 years to have all the better opportunities you have had over their family.

Anonymous wrote:I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

I don’t love or think it can’t be improved. But I’m a realist and also tend to be pragmatic and most of the posted suggestions, including the OP’s are unrealistic.

I imagine it means it's capped for students. why not cap it for colleges ie can only fill x% of whatever.

But I get it -- you guys all LOVE how the system works now, how it really serves students and families, how America is fostering an educating populace at all levels and how even a suggestion that could be improved, really pissed you off. because that's now what your kid and his bestie experienced. we get it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap ED.

Yes!

What does Cap ED even mean? It's already capped---you can only apply to one ED/ED1 and another ED2 if you are rejected ED/ED1.

It means “I have no idea how this works!”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cap ED.

Yes!

What does Cap ED even mean? It's already capped---you can only apply to one ED/ED1 and another ED2 if you are rejected ED/ED1.

Anonymous wrote:Cap ED.

Yes!