Anonymous
04/27/2023 11:25
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are these remote jobs paying $90k+ year that are relaxed enough to allow for a second job, and how do I find one?
I'm a PM and could easily do 2 or 3
The BAs and coders on my team could easily do multiple jobs
Most jobs are 20 hours of actual work max.
This.
My busy time at work just ended. It's also conference season in my industry. I literally finished my tasks for the day at 10 this morning. I have no projects to do. I don't have a second job or the desire for one. I use all my downtime to get projects and errands done at home.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:45
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are these remote jobs paying $90k+ year that are relaxed enough to allow for a second job, and how do I find one?
I'm a PM and could easily do 2 or 3
The BAs and coders on my team could easily do multiple jobs
Most jobs are 20 hours of actual work max.
I do project work so my roadmaps, epics what ever you call them are quarterly or goals or milestones. I literally could not work for two months and as long as I met my KPIs I am set. I easily could do 5 jobs if they all were like this job.
My one coworker goes to her beach house all of July and august and takes off Thanksgiving to New years each year and no one on noticed she catches up at other times. I do less than her. Last year I ghosted đź‘» April to November. I worked like 5 hours a week. Tops
If me or her got promoted I get tips a 20-30k boost and have to work 40-45 hours. Easier not to do it and just get a second easy gig
This is a snow job on the people paying you. This is why it irritates me when people think PMs don’t need to understand technical work. If your roadmap is slow rolling, they should know they’re paying you for value that’s not worth what they’re paying you. I have taken over projects in the past and exposed this to the sponsors but, unfortunately, it is really very common.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 07:56
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are these remote jobs paying $90k+ year that are relaxed enough to allow for a second job, and how do I find one?
I'm a PM and could easily do 2 or 3
The BAs and coders on my team could easily do multiple jobs
Most jobs are 20 hours of actual work max.
I do project work so my roadmaps, epics what ever you call them are quarterly or goals or milestones. I literally could not work for two months and as long as I met my KPIs I am set. I easily could do 5 jobs if they all were like this job.
My one coworker goes to her beach house all of July and august and takes off Thanksgiving to New years each year and no one on noticed she catches up at other times. I do less than her. Last year I ghosted đź‘» April to November. I worked like 5 hours a week. Tops
If me or her got promoted I get tips a 20-30k boost and have to work 40-45 hours. Easier not to do it and just get a second easy gig
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:52
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are these remote jobs paying $90k+ year that are relaxed enough to allow for a second job, and how do I find one?
I'm a PM and could easily do 2 or 3
The BAs and coders on my team could easily do multiple jobs
Most jobs are 20 hours of actual work max.
You must be mis-evaluating your story points if you’re letting them get away with this, because I’ve also had Developers working multiple jobs, they weren’t working on mine for 20 hours….at least not in a typical week.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 06:50
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They’re still pretty young. If and when they have to start paying insurance, saving for retirement, housing & childcare their tune will change. I was going to be a “digital nomad” at 22 too.
They are not having kids. Not buying SFHs.
Not now. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever.
They will not. Its a generational shift.
That was also a generational shift in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s…..human survival depends on reproduction and they will change their minds. Not all of them, but enough.
https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate
It’s totally different slope.
That’s not just because they don’t want kids. That’s because they delay having kids to do whatever the hell it is they think is what people do when they’re young, and then they can’t have them when they’re older, or don’t have as many. It happened in Japan also. They have had huge population challenges as a result.
In any case, that’s not just Gen Z on that chart. The average age at first child would imply that is also Gen Y.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 22:59
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen Z is averse to hard work, in general.
Gen z is marrying the older generation xers for money and stability. Look at the old croaks who call themselves celebrities prancing around with 20 somethings.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 22:58
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen Z is averse to hard work, in general.
Gen z is marrying the older generation xers for money and stability. Look at the old croaks who call themselves celebrities prancing around with 20 somethings.
Hollyweird is not indicative of general population trends. Kids born after 2011 are not, by any large metrics, marrying people born in the 60's and 70s that are their parents age. They're not even with Millennials. If anything, age differences have shrunk; they're by and large with their peers 9though marrying at lower rates than before).
Anonymous
04/26/2023 22:33
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They’re still pretty young. If and when they have to start paying insurance, saving for retirement, housing & childcare their tune will change. I was going to be a “digital nomad” at 22 too.
They are not having kids. Not buying SFHs.
Not now. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever.
They will not. Its a generational shift.
That was also a generational shift in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s…..human survival depends on reproduction and they will change their minds. Not all of them, but enough.
https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate
It’s totally different slope.
fascinating article.
im one of those cohorts. stopped at 1, im 1982 so on the cusp. not having another. my sister has 0, shes 1985.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 22:18
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Gen Z is averse to hard work, in general.
Gen z is marrying the older generation xers for money and stability. Look at the old croaks who call themselves celebrities prancing around with 20 somethings.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 20:31
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They’re still pretty young. If and when they have to start paying insurance, saving for retirement, housing & childcare their tune will change. I was going to be a “digital nomad” at 22 too.
They are not having kids. Not buying SFHs.
Not now. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever.
They will not. Its a generational shift.
That was also a generational shift in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s…..human survival depends on reproduction and they will change their minds. Not all of them, but enough.
https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate
It’s totally different slope.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 20:29
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They’re still pretty young. If and when they have to start paying insurance, saving for retirement, housing & childcare their tune will change. I was going to be a “digital nomad” at 22 too.
They are not having kids. Not buying SFHs.
Not now. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever.
They will not. Its a generational shift.
That was also a generational shift in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s…..human survival depends on reproduction and they will change their minds. Not all of them, but enough.
No we export baby making to developing nations.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 18:43
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They’re still pretty young. If and when they have to start paying insurance, saving for retirement, housing & childcare their tune will change. I was going to be a “digital nomad” at 22 too.
They are not having kids. Not buying SFHs.
Not now. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever.
They will not. Its a generational shift.
That was also a generational shift in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s…..human survival depends on reproduction and they will change their minds. Not all of them, but enough.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 17:54
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What are these remote jobs paying $90k+ year that are relaxed enough to allow for a second job, and how do I find one?
I'm a PM and could easily do 2 or 3
The BAs and coders on my team could easily do multiple jobs
Most jobs are 20 hours of actual work max.
Not op but how you start out if you want to do project management?
Anonymous
04/26/2023 17:40
Subject: Re:Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:What are these remote jobs paying $90k+ year that are relaxed enough to allow for a second job, and how do I find one?
I'm a PM and could easily do 2 or 3
The BAs and coders on my team could easily do multiple jobs
Most jobs are 20 hours of actual work max.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 17:07
Subject: Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are you saying that 80 percent of remote workers have second jobs during the workday? I highly doubt that. If anything, I think those workers are the exception and not the majority.
It is 79 percent. It moves between 60 percent and 80 percent since Covid.
https://www.hcamag.com/us/specialization/employee-engagement/how-many-remote-workers-have-two-jobs/435607
If that statistic is true and not simply representative of that particular sample, I expect employers to greatly increase surveillance over the next few years.