Anonymous
05/16/2023 06:27
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Schools in FCPS are both a place to educate minor children, and a place of employment by adults.
I think a good starting point for deciding which books are available inside of classrooms and libraries is:
1) For students, if a book contains graphic images or explicit text that would result in an adult being charged with a crime against children if they showed it to the child outside of school, and especially without the parents explicit informed consent, then the book should not be allowed in school. Graphic novels such as Gender Queer would fall under this category. If your 50 year old neighbor Joe decided to read a book full of drawings of blow jobs and other explicit photos to your 13 year old son or daughter, especially encouraging them to keep this info away from you their parent, he would likely be arrested. This should be a basic, common sense standard in public school.
And
2) If a book contains graphic images and text such that if a Virginia state or Fairfax County government employee had it out at work and showed or distributed it to coworkers and especially subordinates, willing or unwilling, would result in the state or county government employee being disciplined or fired for sexual harrassment, then the county employees of FCPS should not be allowed to share that book with minor children in FCPS in any capacity, be it in the library, in the classroom, or sharing with an individual student.
Use the state and county employment standards for what material an adult employee is allowed to share in the workplace, and apply this to our govt employee teachers, counselors, support staff and principals.
This should not even be a point of contention unless you are a predator.
+1,000,000. Plus, any At-Large School Board candidate who agrees with this stance, and makes it known, should have a great chance of winning.
Unfortunately, there are many vulnerable kids at FCPS who can barely read, yet most of these explicit drawings can leave a distorted long-lasting effect. Any candidate who cares about them should make it their priority to protect them.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 00:11
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Yup. We already have a process for this and have for years!
Handpicking a committee to state a desired outcome to keep the books is not an open transparent process. There should be a transparent process that:
1) Articulates how the book encourages lifelong learning
2) That the material identifies with each student, with the understanding that not all material will identify with each student.
The books in question do not follow best practices with a library book selection process and are pervasively vulgar. Those advocating for the material cannot articulate the literary value of the books.
For example, if Lawn Boy was to be material to identify with young boys exploring their homosexuality, why does the author repeatedly reflect upon sexual experiences between two 10 yr-old boys? Why not make the characters 15, 16, or 17? Why 10 yr-olds engaged in oral sex? Most would even find that behavior between heterosexuals disturbing.
Tonight, the two candidates, Melanie Meren and Paul Thomas advocated for such material under the guise of intersectionality and the need to provide inclusive material representative of the LGBTQIA++ community.
Then there is the recent book, 'Queer,' read by RWNJ Langton (who finally spoke against hetero porn), who does make a point, why is the school providing material to children to tell them that all sex is good sex? It isn't.
Huh? Novels generally only encourage "lifelong learning" by allowing the reader to practice their reading skills. What lifelong learning does Harry Potter have in it?
No one is trying to ban Harry Potter from school libraries. Harry Porner perhaps, but not Harry Potter.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 00:01
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Yup. We already have a process for this and have for years!
Handpicking a committee to state a desired outcome to keep the books is not an open transparent process. There should be a transparent process that:
1) Articulates how the book encourages lifelong learning
2) That the material identifies with each student, with the understanding that not all material will identify with each student.
The books in question do not follow best practices with a library book selection process and are pervasively vulgar. Those advocating for the material cannot articulate the literary value of the books.
For example, if Lawn Boy was to be material to identify with young boys exploring their homosexuality, why does the author repeatedly reflect upon sexual experiences between two 10 yr-old boys? Why not make the characters 15, 16, or 17? Why 10 yr-olds engaged in oral sex? Most would even find that behavior between heterosexuals disturbing.
Tonight, the two candidates, Melanie Meren and Paul Thomas advocated for such material under the guise of intersectionality and the need to provide inclusive material representative of the LGBTQIA++ community.
Then there is the recent book, 'Queer,' read by RWNJ Langton (who finally spoke against hetero porn), who does make a point, why is the school providing material to children to tell them that all sex is good sex? It isn't.
Huh? Novels generally only encourage "lifelong learning" by allowing the reader to practice their reading skills. What lifelong learning does Harry Potter have in it?
Anonymous
05/15/2023 22:47
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Yup. We already have a process for this and have for years!
Handpicking a committee to state a desired outcome to keep the books is not an open transparent process. There should be a transparent process that:
1) Articulates how the book encourages lifelong learning
2) That the material identifies with each student, with the understanding that not all material will identify with each student.
The books in question do not follow best practices with a library book selection process and are pervasively vulgar. Those advocating for the material cannot articulate the literary value of the books.
For example, if Lawn Boy was to be material to identify with young boys exploring their homosexuality, why does the author repeatedly reflect upon sexual experiences between two 10 yr-old boys? Why not make the characters 15, 16, or 17? Why 10 yr-olds engaged in oral sex? Most would even find that behavior between heterosexuals disturbing.
Tonight, the two candidates, Melanie Meren and Paul Thomas advocated for such material under the guise of intersectionality and the need to provide inclusive material representative of the LGBTQIA++ community.
Then there is the recent book, 'Queer,' read by RWNJ Langton (who finally spoke against hetero porn), who does make a point, why is the school providing material to children to tell them that all sex is good sex? It isn't.
Anonymous
05/15/2023 20:41
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:County doesn't appear split -- Moon, Webb, and Munir are getting support from both the southern and northern parts of Fairfax County.
Delegate Rip Sullivan of McLean just endorsed Moon, Webb, and Munir today, and each has been endorsed by many members of the VA legislature.
Haven't seen any of the other candidates endorsed by any Delegates or Senators.
McDaniel has a pretty impressive list of endorsements. I think he and Moon are probably top two right now.
Does McDaniel have any members of the Virginia legislature endorsing him?
Yep!
Who?
Anonymous
05/15/2023 11:31
Subject: Re:FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
I appreciate that kids can access all sorts of things on their cell phones, but school librarians who go out of their way to make sure kids who aren't even in high school can read graphic "young adult" novels featuring strap-ons don't leave me with a good feeling. Nor does a School Board that is more interesting in shoring up their support with the FEA than getting inappropriate material out of the public school libraries.
Anonymous
05/15/2023 07:59
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Oh, I see. You are a conspiracy filled loon who believes the right wing attacks on teachers. I trust our librarians and think we have a good process and clear regulations both for building book collections and handling challenges. someone like you supporting Saundra Davis lets me know she is no moderate wt all.
You trust our librarians? Who would choose a book with graphic drawings of a child's parents involved in a rather strange sexual activity involving sex toys?
I can only hope the librarian was not aware of the book--which is possible if it was on the ALA approved list. They frequently choose books from the reviews there.
Anonymous
05/15/2023 06:56
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Oh, I see. You are a conspiracy filled loon who believes the right wing attacks on teachers. I trust our librarians and think we have a good process and clear regulations both for building book collections and handling challenges. someone like you supporting Saundra Davis lets me know she is no moderate wt all.
Anonymous
05/15/2023 06:52
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
You're an idiot. You know there's no scenario where one individual would get to decide what books are selected for FCPS school libraries. And you apparently don't have a problem with community standards, either. You simply think that one left-wing group comprised of drag queen fans like Karl Frisch and their designees should speak for the entire community.
First, unnecessary personal attack. Second, if you have read any of the articles from other states, many books have been removed because one person has filed complaint against many books. Third, I have no idea what group you are referring to and didn’t know (and don’t care if) Frisch is a drag fan.
Logic fail. Book selections should reflect community standards, even if one person has the initial idea that books like Lawn Boy or Gender Queer are appropriate or inappropriate for school libraries. You just want those standards determined by a bunch of LWNJs who think anything goes as long as it can be portrayed as LBGTQ-positive. If more people knew what FCPS personnel were doing, such as going out of their way recently to give a “non-binary” teacher a coveted award, Frisch and his ilk would be voted out in a hot second.
Anonymous
05/15/2023 02:16
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Schools in FCPS are both a place to educate minor children, and a place of employment by adults.
I think a good starting point for deciding which books are available inside of classrooms and libraries is:
1) For students, if a book contains graphic images or explicit text that would result in an adult being charged with a crime against children if they showed it to the child outside of school, and especially without the parents explicit informed consent, then the book should not be allowed in school. Graphic novels such as Gender Queer would fall under this category. If your 50 year old neighbor Joe decided to read a book full of drawings of blow jobs and other explicit photos to your 13 year old son or daughter, especially encouraging them to keep this info away from you their parent, he would likely be arrested. This should be a basic, common sense standard in public school.
And
2) If a book contains graphic images and text such that if a Virginia state or Fairfax County government employee had it out at work and showed or distributed it to coworkers and especially subordinates, willing or unwilling, would result in the state or county government employee being disciplined or fired for sexual harrassment, then the county employees of FCPS should not be allowed to share that book with minor children in FCPS in any capacity, be it in the library, in the classroom, or sharing with an individual student.
Use the state and county employment standards for what material an adult employee is allowed to share in the workplace, and apply this to our govt employee teachers, counselors, support staff and principals.
This should not even be a point of contention unless you are a predator.
What a bizarre take! It would be weird and uncomfortable for an adult to privately read aloud the masturbation and menstruation and breast scenes from many Judy Blume books, yet those books are still appropriate for school libraries.
Children are curious and dying to know about taboo topics. I respect the current process for determining what is appropriate in school libraries.
Anonymous
05/14/2023 17:12
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Saundra Davis is a left of center moderate.
Not from what I have heard. Please list what positions make you identify her as this.
Anonymous
05/14/2023 17:11
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
You're an idiot. You know there's no scenario where one individual would get to decide what books are selected for FCPS school libraries. And you apparently don't have a problem with community standards, either. You simply think that one left-wing group comprised of drag queen fans like Karl Frisch and their designees should speak for the entire community.
First, unnecessary personal attack. Second, if you have read any of the articles from other states, many books have been removed because one person has filed complaint against many books. Third, I have no idea what group you are referring to and didn’t know (and don’t care if) Frisch is a drag fan.
Anonymous
05/14/2023 17:07
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
There are no moderates running on the left.
Moon. Maybe Paul Thomas.
Anonymous
05/14/2023 17:02
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Yup. We already have a process for this and have for years!
Anonymous
05/14/2023 16:23
Subject: FCPS At-Large School Board Race - Is County Split in Two?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Adding that I wish there were a moderate running outside of the democrats but there aren’t any.
Davis is a moderate. If you think otherwise you are far to the left and can’t handle a mainstream candidate.
She supports book banning. That is not moderate. It’s part of the right wing extremist playbook currently running in other states and in Spotsylvania County, VA.
It is not "banning books" to eliminate inappropriate materials for minors from schools. "Banning books" means that books cannot be published or sold. No one is calling for that.
While I'm not fan of Stacy Langdon, it is clear that the book she talked about at the SB meetings does not belong in any school library. A graphic novel with pics of "parents" participating in what could kindly be called "out of the usual" sexual acts has no redeeming qualities.
Who should determine what is inappropriate? In states with policies like Langton wants, Toni Morrison and Jodi Picoult and many other authors are banned. https://abcnews.go.com/US/author-jodi-picoult-denounces-book-bans-after-florida/story?id=98151365
FCPS has a book challenge process, concerned people should follow it. I don’t want one untrained individual deciding to ban books from our school libraries.
Schools in FCPS are both a place to educate minor children, and a place of employment by adults.
I think a good starting point for deciding which books are available inside of classrooms and libraries is:
1) For students, if a book contains graphic images or explicit text that would result in an adult being charged with a crime against children if they showed it to the child outside of school, and especially without the parents explicit informed consent, then the book should not be allowed in school. Graphic novels such as Gender Queer would fall under this category. If your 50 year old neighbor Joe decided to read a book full of drawings of blow jobs and other explicit photos to your 13 year old son or daughter, especially encouraging them to keep this info away from you their parent, he would likely be arrested. This should be a basic, common sense standard in public school.
And
2) If a book contains graphic images and text such that if a Virginia state or Fairfax County government employee had it out at work and showed or distributed it to coworkers and especially subordinates, willing or unwilling, would result in the state or county government employee being disciplined or fired for sexual harrassment, then the county employees of FCPS should not be allowed to share that book with minor children in FCPS in any capacity, be it in the library, in the classroom, or sharing with an individual student.
Use the state and county employment standards for what material an adult employee is allowed to share in the workplace, and apply this to our govt employee teachers, counselors, support staff and principals.
This should not even be a point of contention unless you are a predator.
Good rules...I might add:
If a book cannot be read aloud at a School Board meeting because of its very explicit content, it does not belong in schools.