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Anonymous wrote:I'll never understand the fixation on drag. It has no interest to me at all -- I'd never attend an event and I'd never protest one. If you don't like something, just don't go!

Drag shows are really fun. But for me it’s more of a “go with my girlfriends to drink, watch risqué dancing, and hear inappropriate jokes.” I don’t get why people have decided to turn it into a kids thing. I’d never take my kids but I wouldn’t protest either.

Thank you! A voice of reason. I don’t care about people going to drag shows, but the impulse to involve kids in them is very, very weird.

It’s hard to convince a kid he should hate drag queens and think of them as deviants worth oppressing if they are innocently reading stories at the library.

Church, on the other hand- not appropriate for children. They already have trouble distinguishing between facts and make believe. Besides, only one set of “men in dresses” have systematically abused children and covered it up, and they aren’t the ones having their lives threatened for doing storytime at the library.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never understand the fixation on drag. It has no interest to me at all -- I'd never attend an event and I'd never protest one. If you don't like something, just don't go!

Drag shows are really fun. But for me it’s more of a “go with my girlfriends to drink, watch risqué dancing, and hear inappropriate jokes.” I don’t get why people have decided to turn it into a kids thing. I’d never take my kids but I wouldn’t protest either.

Thank you! A voice of reason. I don’t care about people going to drag shows, but the impulse to involve kids in them is very, very weird.

Anonymous wrote:Burlesque is simply stunning a la Dita von Teese. It demands real dance skills, subtlety, and finesse. Have you seen the videos of her in the Pilates studio or her grueling practices? It is beautiful, tasteful, sexy performance art for ADULTS to appreciate, not throw dollar bills.

Drag is unskilled individuals in garish makeup and hideous costumes attempting to be subversive by parodying everything that makes a woman a woman: ability to give birth, breasts giving milk, etc. There’s nothing valuable to be learned here. Clapping, laughter, and dollars dropped, that’s it. What value does this hold for a minor child? Zero. Adults can watch and enjoy this if they please. Not minors.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never understand the fixation on drag. It has no interest to me at all -- I'd never attend an event and I'd never protest one. If you don't like something, just don't go!

Drag shows are really fun. But for me it’s more of a “go with my girlfriends to drink, watch risqué dancing, and hear inappropriate jokes.” I don’t get why people have decided to turn it into a kids thing. I’d never take my kids but I wouldn’t protest either.

Thank you! A voice of reason. I don’t care about people going to drag shows, but the impulse to involve kids in them is very, very weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll never understand the fixation on drag. It has no interest to me at all -- I'd never attend an event and I'd never protest one. If you don't like something, just don't go!

Drag shows are really fun. But for me it’s more of a “go with my girlfriends to drink, watch risqué dancing, and hear inappropriate jokes.” I don’t get why people have decided to turn it into a kids thing. I’d never take my kids but I wouldn’t protest either.

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Anonymous wrote:Just amazing. If a drag queen story hour were cancelled, these dopes would be marching in the streets. This kind of stunt is so instructive.

You realize those meeting at the library are exactly the folks who try to get drag queen story hours cancelled, right?

You realize that there is a bright line between someone having political opinions you don’t agree with and someone hosting an event for children that is by it’s nature sexually transgressive, right? It’s the same reason I’d have no problem with Che Guevara for Kids Story Hour but wouldn’t be okay with Stripper Story Hour. I personally find it gross when people try to overly politicize children and use them as political pawns in general but YMMV.

I guess this is a difference between you and me. You think that men dressed as women reading books presents a danger. I don't. I think that people who spread conspiracy theories that result in local restaurants being shot up and set on fire present a danger. You don't. We will just have to agree to disagree.

By your rationale everyone who spread fake news about what happened to Jacob Blake and Michael Brown presents a danger and shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public spaces because it their spread of disinformation (like “Hand Up Don’t Shoot” that was discredited by Eric Holder’s DOJ) led to violence and looting.

And drag is a fetish. Full stop. Would you be this cavalier about people in bondage outfits reading to kids if it angered the opposing political team? At a certain point you need to draw a line in the sand about what’s appropriate for little kids, especially if it’s held in a public space. I’ve known people whose lives have been ruined because of childhood sexual abuse. I have an extremely low tolerance for anything that even faintly resembles grooming. And I’ve never voted R in my life. This issue is deeper than political posturing.

So Shakespearian plays are fetish?
Maarilyn Monroe movies are a fetish?
Tom Hanks in Bosom Buddies is a fetish?

I mean, this goes back millennia, and is even biblical.

You let your 6 year old watch Bosom Buddies?

I remember my parents taking me to the Mozart opera The Marriage of Figaro, when I was maybe 8 or 9. One of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman. When I was a bit older, I was taken to the Strauss opera Der Rosenkavalier, where one of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman for a seduction scene to embarrass the man who is supposed to marry the woman he loves - but what do you expect from those decadent pre-WWI Germans.

Your parents got to make that choice. Many public school parents are never given that choice before their kids are exposed to a man parading around in a thong. That’s the point.

Can you provide many examples to back this up? Or one?

NP but NYC did this and parents were unable to opt their kids out, AFAIK.

I have trouble believing that NYC had someone, male or female with any kind of gender presentation, wearing only a thong around children. Again, I think you need to back up that claim.

Again NP and I don't know anything about the thong comment but assuming it's hyperbole. This is the NYC info: https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

https://www.newsweek.com/public-school-district-took-middle-schoolers-drag-show-without-telling-their-parents-opinion-1776503

An opinion piece, citing a report by the same former real estate agent who was at the Cleveland Park library event? Yeah, no.

Anonymous wrote:I'll never understand the fixation on drag. It has no interest to me at all -- I'd never attend an event and I'd never protest one. If you don't like something, just don't go!

Anonymous wrote:It's a strange bunch on ANC 3C. They think they're progressive but they're really more libertarian about property rights and see themselves as dictators of social policy. I would certainly NEVER attend this event, but I also don't want any single commissioner telling me what is or is not appropriate speech. Our inability to listen to opposing views is killing our society.

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Anonymous wrote:Just amazing. If a drag queen story hour were cancelled, these dopes would be marching in the streets. This kind of stunt is so instructive.

You realize those meeting at the library are exactly the folks who try to get drag queen story hours cancelled, right?

You realize that there is a bright line between someone having political opinions you don’t agree with and someone hosting an event for children that is by it’s nature sexually transgressive, right? It’s the same reason I’d have no problem with Che Guevara for Kids Story Hour but wouldn’t be okay with Stripper Story Hour. I personally find it gross when people try to overly politicize children and use them as political pawns in general but YMMV.

I guess this is a difference between you and me. You think that men dressed as women reading books presents a danger. I don't. I think that people who spread conspiracy theories that result in local restaurants being shot up and set on fire present a danger. You don't. We will just have to agree to disagree.

By your rationale everyone who spread fake news about what happened to Jacob Blake and Michael Brown presents a danger and shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public spaces because it their spread of disinformation (like “Hand Up Don’t Shoot” that was discredited by Eric Holder’s DOJ) led to violence and looting.

And drag is a fetish. Full stop. Would you be this cavalier about people in bondage outfits reading to kids if it angered the opposing political team? At a certain point you need to draw a line in the sand about what’s appropriate for little kids, especially if it’s held in a public space. I’ve known people whose lives have been ruined because of childhood sexual abuse. I have an extremely low tolerance for anything that even faintly resembles grooming. And I’ve never voted R in my life. This issue is deeper than political posturing.

So Shakespearian plays are fetish?
Maarilyn Monroe movies are a fetish?
Tom Hanks in Bosom Buddies is a fetish?

I mean, this goes back millennia, and is even biblical.

You let your 6 year old watch Bosom Buddies?

I remember my parents taking me to the Mozart opera The Marriage of Figaro, when I was maybe 8 or 9. One of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman. When I was a bit older, I was taken to the Strauss opera Der Rosenkavalier, where one of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman for a seduction scene to embarrass the man who is supposed to marry the woman he loves - but what do you expect from those decadent pre-WWI Germans.

Your parents got to make that choice. Many public school parents are never given that choice before their kids are exposed to a man parading around in a thong. That’s the point.

Can you provide many examples to back this up? Or one?

NP but NYC did this and parents were unable to opt their kids out, AFAIK.

I have trouble believing that NYC had someone, male or female with any kind of gender presentation, wearing only a thong around children. Again, I think you need to back up that claim.

Again NP and I don't know anything about the thong comment but assuming it's hyperbole. This is the NYC info: https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

https://www.newsweek.com/public-school-district-took-middle-schoolers-drag-show-without-telling-their-parents-opinion-1776503

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Anonymous wrote:Just amazing. If a drag queen story hour were cancelled, these dopes would be marching in the streets. This kind of stunt is so instructive.

You realize those meeting at the library are exactly the folks who try to get drag queen story hours cancelled, right?

You realize that there is a bright line between someone having political opinions you don’t agree with and someone hosting an event for children that is by it’s nature sexually transgressive, right? It’s the same reason I’d have no problem with Che Guevara for Kids Story Hour but wouldn’t be okay with Stripper Story Hour. I personally find it gross when people try to overly politicize children and use them as political pawns in general but YMMV.

I guess this is a difference between you and me. You think that men dressed as women reading books presents a danger. I don't. I think that people who spread conspiracy theories that result in local restaurants being shot up and set on fire present a danger. You don't. We will just have to agree to disagree.

By your rationale everyone who spread fake news about what happened to Jacob Blake and Michael Brown presents a danger and shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public spaces because it their spread of disinformation (like “Hand Up Don’t Shoot” that was discredited by Eric Holder’s DOJ) led to violence and looting.

And drag is a fetish. Full stop. Would you be this cavalier about people in bondage outfits reading to kids if it angered the opposing political team? At a certain point you need to draw a line in the sand about what’s appropriate for little kids, especially if it’s held in a public space. I’ve known people whose lives have been ruined because of childhood sexual abuse. I have an extremely low tolerance for anything that even faintly resembles grooming. And I’ve never voted R in my life. This issue is deeper than political posturing.

So Shakespearian plays are fetish?
Maarilyn Monroe movies are a fetish?
Tom Hanks in Bosom Buddies is a fetish?

I mean, this goes back millennia, and is even biblical.

You let your 6 year old watch Bosom Buddies?

I remember my parents taking me to the Mozart opera The Marriage of Figaro, when I was maybe 8 or 9. One of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman. When I was a bit older, I was taken to the Strauss opera Der Rosenkavalier, where one of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman for a seduction scene to embarrass the man who is supposed to marry the woman he loves - but what do you expect from those decadent pre-WWI Germans.

Your parents got to make that choice. Many public school parents are never given that choice before their kids are exposed to a man parading around in a thong. That’s the point.

Can you provide many examples to back this up? Or one?

NP but NYC did this and parents were unable to opt their kids out, AFAIK.

I have trouble believing that NYC had someone, male or female with any kind of gender presentation, wearing only a thong around children. Again, I think you need to back up that claim.

Again NP and I don't know anything about the thong comment but assuming it's hyperbole. This is the NYC info: https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

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Anonymous wrote:Just amazing. If a drag queen story hour were cancelled, these dopes would be marching in the streets. This kind of stunt is so instructive.

You realize those meeting at the library are exactly the folks who try to get drag queen story hours cancelled, right?

You realize that there is a bright line between someone having political opinions you don’t agree with and someone hosting an event for children that is by it’s nature sexually transgressive, right? It’s the same reason I’d have no problem with Che Guevara for Kids Story Hour but wouldn’t be okay with Stripper Story Hour. I personally find it gross when people try to overly politicize children and use them as political pawns in general but YMMV.

I guess this is a difference between you and me. You think that men dressed as women reading books presents a danger. I don't. I think that people who spread conspiracy theories that result in local restaurants being shot up and set on fire present a danger. You don't. We will just have to agree to disagree.

By your rationale everyone who spread fake news about what happened to Jacob Blake and Michael Brown presents a danger and shouldn’t be allowed to speak in public spaces because it their spread of disinformation (like “Hand Up Don’t Shoot” that was discredited by Eric Holder’s DOJ) led to violence and looting.

And drag is a fetish. Full stop. Would you be this cavalier about people in bondage outfits reading to kids if it angered the opposing political team? At a certain point you need to draw a line in the sand about what’s appropriate for little kids, especially if it’s held in a public space. I’ve known people whose lives have been ruined because of childhood sexual abuse. I have an extremely low tolerance for anything that even faintly resembles grooming. And I’ve never voted R in my life. This issue is deeper than political posturing.

So Shakespearian plays are fetish?
Maarilyn Monroe movies are a fetish?
Tom Hanks in Bosom Buddies is a fetish?

I mean, this goes back millennia, and is even biblical.

You let your 6 year old watch Bosom Buddies?

I remember my parents taking me to the Mozart opera The Marriage of Figaro, when I was maybe 8 or 9. One of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman. When I was a bit older, I was taken to the Strauss opera Der Rosenkavalier, where one of the characters is a man, sung by a woman (it's a trouser role), who dresses up as a woman for a seduction scene to embarrass the man who is supposed to marry the woman he loves - but what do you expect from those decadent pre-WWI Germans.

Your parents got to make that choice. Many public school parents are never given that choice before their kids are exposed to a man parading around in a thong. That’s the point.

Can you provide many examples to back this up? Or one?

NP but NYC did this and parents were unable to opt their kids out, AFAIK.

I have trouble believing that NYC had someone, male or female with any kind of gender presentation, wearing only a thong around children. Again, I think you need to back up that claim.