Anonymous
04/13/2023 11:43
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
So don't let your kid go on the trip.
Random parents do not and will not sleep in the same tents as random kids. This goes against every sexual abuse prevention guideline on the planet.
I agree it's a bad idea but yes, random parent chaperones DO sleep in tents with kids not their own. This is how it worked for my kids' outdoor lab field trip. A parent was in every tent with kids not their own.
Do you think they have separate tents for each parent and their own kid? lol
My DD was in a tent with a girl and her mom. I knew them but she was in fact in a tent with a random person. This way a LONG time ago so it may have changed.
Exactly. APS should definitely rethink this. They are asking for trouble.
Anonymous
04/13/2023 11:31
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
So don't let your kid go on the trip.
Random parents do not and will not sleep in the same tents as random kids. This goes against every sexual abuse prevention guideline on the planet.
I agree it's a bad idea but yes, random parent chaperones DO sleep in tents with kids not their own. This is how it worked for my kids' outdoor lab field trip. A parent was in every tent with kids not their own.
Do you think they have separate tents for each parent and their own kid? lol
My DD was in a tent with a girl and her mom. I knew them but she was in fact in a tent with a random person. This way a LONG time ago so it may have changed.
Anonymous
04/13/2023 11:29
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
So don't let your kid go on the trip.
Random parents do not and will not sleep in the same tents as random kids. This goes against every sexual abuse prevention guideline on the planet.
I agree it's a bad idea but yes, random parent chaperones DO sleep in tents with kids not their own. This is how it worked for my kids' outdoor lab field trip. A parent was in every tent with kids not their own.
Do you think they have separate tents for each parent and their own kid? lol
And yes it's a horrible idea. Risk is much higher to kids from adults than from other 10 year olds.
See for example -
https://dailyprogress.com/news/local/charlottesville-mother-arrested-on-child-porn-attempted-exploitation-charges/article_eb01979a-d3f0-11ed-8516-6749777298d4.html
Anonymous
04/13/2023 11:28
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
So don't let your kid go on the trip.
Random parents do not and will not sleep in the same tents as random kids. This goes against every sexual abuse prevention guideline on the planet.
I agree it's a bad idea but yes, random parent chaperones DO sleep in tents with kids not their own. This is how it worked for my kids' outdoor lab field trip. A parent was in every tent with kids not their own.
Do you think they have separate tents for each parent and their own kid? lol
Anonymous
04/13/2023 06:43
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
Even with that, as it was noted above, parents are only allowed in tents with their own kids typically. DH went this year. Kids actually all slept in one common room (divided for girls/ boys) because it was in the 20s at night. Parents and teachers slept in the came room as the kids (but away from them as they could). The Parents didn't really sleep lol.
Just pointing out that abuse can happen between same gender children, and it does.
No one is saying it doesn't. But what do you propose? Never having kids alone together their entire lives?
Wow, dramatic. When else are children unsupervised for long periods at school? Not having 5th graders sleep together unsupervised in a tent on a field trip is hardly the same as never letting them be alone. But that doesn’t happen anyway- not at lunch, recess, etc. Unless it’s a bathroom trip, kids are supervised.
Anonymous
04/13/2023 06:28
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
So don't let your kid go on the trip.
Random parents do not and will not sleep in the same tents as random kids. This goes against every sexual abuse prevention guideline on the planet.
Anonymous
04/13/2023 06:24
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
Even with that, as it was noted above, parents are only allowed in tents with their own kids typically. DH went this year. Kids actually all slept in one common room (divided for girls/ boys) because it was in the 20s at night. Parents and teachers slept in the came room as the kids (but away from them as they could). The Parents didn't really sleep lol.
Just pointing out that abuse can happen between same gender children, and it does.
No one is saying it doesn't. But what do you propose? Never having kids alone together their entire lives?
Anonymous
04/12/2023 18:30
Subject: Re:Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:I have talked to several staff and they love her kindness and support. As APS continues to put more and more on the teachers plates, she works to help with the workload so they can do their jobs and focus on the students.
Who is this referring to?
Anonymous
04/12/2023 14:05
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
So don't let your kid go on the trip.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 13:46
Subject: Re:Oakridge Principal
I have talked to several staff and they love her kindness and support. As APS continues to put more and more on the teachers plates, she works to help with the workload so they can do their jobs and focus on the students.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 13:26
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kids *love* the overnight. Cancelling the overnight part because of whatever happened last week would be a big overreaction. Worse things happen on other programs and they don't cancel the whole thing.
What’s worse than sexual assault? Murder?
sexual assault is sadly not uncommon on trips, and I think it's worse when somebody who is older is the perpetrator. There have been incidents of camp counselors assaulting minors, and here, assuming this was sexual assault, it was done by a 10-year old. But we are going to keep the programs where it was an adult committing the crime, and cancel a program where it was a little kid committing the crime?
Keep in mind, it's an optional field trip. If parents don't think it's appropriate or safe, they don't need to give permission for their kid to go.
Or they can go chaperone themselves. It’s not just teachers on the trip. Parents go as well
Yeah, privileged parents who can get the time off from work and have childcare for their other kids.
or are actually a 2-parent home; or who have family who can watch other kids; or neighbors who can watch other kids; or, or, or.... Not every parent has to go. They don't require that many chaperones.
Our school (with mostly working parents) had so many volunteers they were turning people away.
I get that they have to review policies and procedures. But this program has been going on for ages-- I really hope one bad experience doesn't mean the end of it. Unfortuately... I fear it might.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 08:28
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
Even with that, as it was noted above, parents are only allowed in tents with their own kids typically. DH went this year. Kids actually all slept in one common room (divided for girls/ boys) because it was in the 20s at night. Parents and teachers slept in the came room as the kids (but away from them as they could). The Parents didn't really sleep lol.
People are suggesting unthread that a parent stay in the tent to prevent abusive behavior between the children.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 08:28
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
Even with that, as it was noted above, parents are only allowed in tents with their own kids typically. DH went this year. Kids actually all slept in one common room (divided for girls/ boys) because it was in the 20s at night. Parents and teachers slept in the came room as the kids (but away from them as they could). The Parents didn't really sleep lol.
Just pointing out that abuse can happen between same gender children, and it does.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 08:26
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
And that would make you feel safe? Having a random parent sleep in the tent with your kid? Yes, I’m a parent and that’s why it disturbs me. I also volunteer regularly in the schools and I’ve taken the training, its a check the box video that’s not going to prevent any abusive behavior.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 06:09
Subject: Oakridge Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to be allowed to sleep in the tent. Can you imagine the liability of 1 adult with 4 unrelated kids? Not happening. More than likely the overnights are over.
Do you even have kids, or kids in school?
All parent volunteers (aka chaperones, classroom assistance, whatever) have to fill out volunteer forms, watch a "training" video, and have a background check.
Even with that, as it was noted above, parents are only allowed in tents with their own kids typically. DH went this year. Kids actually all slept in one common room (divided for girls/ boys) because it was in the 20s at night. Parents and teachers slept in the came room as the kids (but away from them as they could). The Parents didn't really sleep lol.