Anonymous
04/20/2023 21:35
Subject: Re:william & mary admissions is problematic and classist
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:W&M has the highest median parental income out of all public universities for a reason.
Honestly, low and middle-income students shouldn't be attending W&M to begin with. LACs all tend to be specialized in graduate/professional school, which many low and middle income cannot go to without having parental support throughout ones 20's. The school doesn't have any engineering or tech-related majors (except CS), which are the ones that pay well with only a bachelors. It's too small and far away from major metros for many companies to recruit from, so many students get internships/jobs with parental networks. Plus it's easily the most expensive public at $40k/year for in-state.
W&M meets 100% of demonstrated financial need in state. Even more than UVA typically. My middle class friend's son only pays about 18k/yr total. Cheaper than any other major public he got accepted at.
Doesn't change the fact that it's geared towards professional/graduate schools, lacks recruitment due to it's small size, lacks the engineering/IT degrees that tend to be greatest movers from low/middle-income to high income with a bachelors, etc.
Covering demonstrate need is great for low income, but not for middle income. Most middle-income families get donut holed.
Source for your assertion that it "lacks recruitment"? Being outside a major metro area does NOT keep interested employers away. You think recruiters don't go to UVA either? And business majors from W&M in particular do very well in the job market.
No, being a small school outside of major metros is what keeps recruiters away, because they don't bother. Of course the regional companies will still come, but the major ones often don't.
I looked at the recent WSJ articles about schools with the highest percentage of graduates working in high paying finance and consulting jobs (where the graduates are earning a significant premium over the average). W&M has about 11% of graduates in those positions, which is near the top for public schools. There was a comment in the consulting article about liberal arts focused W&M doing well despite not having as many tech graduates (Georgia Tech was #1 for publics in consulting).
Anonymous
04/20/2023 21:24
Subject: Re:william & mary admissions is problematic and classist
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Both UVA and W&M want to go private LOL
Yes, and both UVa Law and Grad Business (Darden) already are private - with no state funding.
Even in arts & sciences, state funding at UVa or W&M is MUCH smaller ($-per-student) than in many other states - and vastly smaller than the in-state tuition discount. Both would love to privatize more - ideally go completely private.
I think they'd ideally rather get more money per student from the state. It is just that that has not been happening. Truly privatizing (even for UVA Law and Darden) would mean having to purchase land and buildings from the state, which would be a deal killer.