Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 12:19     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
And btw she constantly rants about how liberal women don’t start having kids until their fertility is waning but you never hear a peep from her about conservative women who started a bit later. How bizarre and a total coincidence, right?
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 12:16     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely iconic that Bethany is calling people on the internet gross while her weird ass constantly tweets about how hot “breeding sex” is. Like I’ve never taken kids to drag queen story hour and I also don’t want to hear about the Mandela’ sex life


Link please!

Just go to her Twitter. She’s busy playing the victim rn but when she’s done she’ll go back to claiming she’s the mom-iest mom to ever be a homeschool mom and that mean liberal ladies don’t even like kids and then she’ll say something weird about breeding.

The mom thing is because she has an inferiority complex and needs something to feel special about. No other conservative woman is this focused on it - Megyn Kelly had her kids in her 40s, Laura Ingraham adopted in her 40s, hell the woman from Fox and Friends had her kids fairly late I believe. But Bethany had her first baby in her 20s and that makes her special even among conservatives. Think about it. She’s an idiot, she’s annoying as shit, frankly she’s average looking and dresses frumpy - she has nothing but motherhood that makes her stand out even among conservative women. So she tries to frame it as a conservative vs liberal thing when in reality, it’s just a people vs other people thing. Some people want kids, some people don’t. Some people want 5, some want one. Some want to start at 29, others don’t get started until 40. It’s literally all she has.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 12:11     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Do you guys remember the first time Bethany got mentioned here and she and Seth railed for days on Twitter about how she was “attacked on a local mommy forum”? They framed it as if she was just being attacked by a group of moms at the park for her parenting when in reality she was being discussed on the political board for something obnoxious she said about politics on Twitter.

She wants to play with the big girls until it’s not fun for her. Bethany is a very serious journalist when she wants to be and then when she’s challenged she’s just a homeschooling mama.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:54     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely iconic that Bethany is calling people on the internet gross while her weird ass constantly tweets about how hot “breeding sex” is. Like I’ve never taken kids to drag queen story hour and I also don’t want to hear about the Mandela’ sex life


Link please!

Just go to her Twitter. She’s busy playing the victim rn but when she’s done she’ll go back to claiming she’s the mom-iest mom to ever be a homeschool mom and that mean liberal ladies don’t even like kids and then she’ll say something weird about breeding.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:52     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing. I reckon most liberals would consider me a conservative. In fact a lot of liberals have told me they think I’m a secret conservative. I’m not, I voted for Biden, but I agree with Robby Soave that wokeness is something you know when you see or whatever. I don’t get trans/non-binary stuff (but I try to be respectful and use correct pronouns), I think it’s weird that there are so many trans kids, I despise inclusive language…you’d think I’m the perfect customer for Bethany’s book.

But no, even though I probably agree with Bethany on a lot, I think she’s a complete shit for brains. It’s true, I can’t define wokeness but I also didn’t spend a year writing a book about it. You’d think someone who wrote an entire chapter defining woke would have come up with a 15 second explanation. Like, Bethany at no point when writing the book did you and Karol think “Hey during the media tour we’ll probably be asked to define this super vague word. We should have a brief and pithy explanation”? No, you didn’t, because you and Karol are both effing stupid. But Karol didn’t shit the bed today on live TV so we’ll leave her out of this.

On top of just generally being stupid, she’s an attention seeker. This woman loves to be talked about badly on line so she can pull song and dance numero uno from the MAGA playbook: Martyrdom. Bethany loves to tweet “play stupid games win stupid prizes,” but then when she does something dumb and people call her on it, she is SHOCKED. She’s an edge lord and grade A troll who loves to fuel the outrage Olympics. Instead of just tweeting something normal in spring of 2020 like “Hey maybe we should evaluate how lockdowns will affect kids and the economy long term” she literally tweeted “call me a grandma killer I’m going to the zoo” and was surprised that people were like “wtf?”

And remember, kids. Bethany claimed to be anti-Trump until she realized being MAGA brought more clicks. So she was vocally pro-Trump all through the 2020 election. And then on January 6 she pretended she had never been pro-Trump. The end.


I don't think most liberals would consider you a conservative - I think most of us feel more or less exactly like you do. A little baffled by all the kids who are suddenly changing genders or are non-binary, don't love "they" language or having to announce your pronouns. But I think at the same time we also don't think that trans kids - or ANYONE - should be hunted down and persecuted, and their parents sent to jail, and drag queens dragged into the streets, and all that. Like we can have a little twitchiness about where we are in the process of all this without becoming insane reactionaries - or, in most cases, hateful, craven opportunists - like Republicans are.

I think Hegel got it right - there's thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We're at the antithesis stage of all this right now. Eventually it will all just settle into a normal, natural pattern and more or less be NBD. But right now the Rs are all inflamed, and Ds like us - who I think are the majority - are mostly biding our time, biting our tongues, and trying not to make anything worse. I'd definitely rather be a little eye rolly about pronouns than have books about gay people stripped from libraries while parents of trans kids worry about their kids being taken away and themselves being sent to jail.

Meanwhile Very Online people continue to be Very Online. I guess the thing is that the Ds aren't ruled by the Very Online people - the leaders are moderates. Republicans live and die by what the Very Online mob dictates.


Thank you for the bolded- I roll my eyes at many things on both sides but I don't think they need to be regulated in the extreme way that Rs want to do it. I roll my eyes at the beloved religiousness that Rs love no much but I don't think we should ban it (just practice it away from me!). I roll my eyes a little at liberal college students who protest sweatshops while wearing clothes from the GAP. I roll my eyes at people who routinely get abortions for birth control (even though the number of people doing so is vastly overinflated by the GOP) but I don't think that means they should get the death penalty (or that we should regulate aboriotn in. way that people who need healthcare are then affected).
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:48     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And btw if you want a book written by a smart conservative, I really liked the one about trans girls by Abigail Shrier and Prey by Ayan Hirsan-Ali. Both smart conservative women who are able to create sound arguments against wokeism. Bethany ain’t it.


Ain’t no such thing.

Although maybe they try to make arguments in better faith, I don’t know.

I do know the concern trolling by conservatives about women’s sports is inherently in bad faith given their relationship fighting the idea, however.


Show me who these conservatives who are against women’s sports.
Then show me they make up any significant portion of conservatives.
Like it or not, conservatives have daughters, wives, sisters etc who play sports.
In fact, many of them even - gasp - SUPPORT them and want them to have such opportunities.
Sorry this doesn’t fit your narrative.


Conservatives have totally screwed over women. Totally. They are responsible for women giving up their reporductive rights. Then they want to wave a shiny trans object and try to distract women form their ugly reality?

Women in sports and fine and a tiny number of issues with a few trans athletes will never bring it all down in spite of all the conservative yammering.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:41     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And btw if you want a book written by a smart conservative, I really liked the one about trans girls by Abigail Shrier and Prey by Ayan Hirsan-Ali. Both smart conservative women who are able to create sound arguments against wokeism. Bethany ain’t it.


Ain’t no such thing.

Although maybe they try to make arguments in better faith, I don’t know.

I do know the concern trolling by conservatives about women’s sports is inherently in bad faith given their relationship fighting the idea, however.


Show me who these conservatives who are against women’s sports.
Then show me they make up any significant portion of conservatives.
Like it or not, conservatives have daughters, wives, sisters etc who play sports.
In fact, many of them even - gasp - SUPPORT them and want them to have such opportunities.
Sorry this doesn’t fit your narrative.


You don’t remember Trump and other Very Online conservatives ridiculing the women’s national soccer team?
Or how they denigrated Brittney Griner and women’s basketball in general?

Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:37     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:The GOP use of “woke” is basically the same as it was when they hated the term “politically correct” and it functionally means that they’re going to be bigoted and ignorant and want everyone to stop trying to be respectful and kind because it makes them look bad.


And remember when GWB was handed the Presidency by the Supreme Court and the issue of “political correctness” pretty much evaporated overnight from the public conscious and mainstream media?

I was in high school in the 90s and heard conservatives whine about “political correctness” for something like 6+ years.

They immediately dropped the talking points after the 2000 election debacle. It’s as if the issue that needed to be solved never really existed. It was literally a rhetorical figment of imagination that no one actually cared about.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:30     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
The GOP use of “woke” is basically the same as it was when they hated the term “politically correct” and it functionally means that they’re going to be bigoted and ignorant and want everyone to stop trying to be respectful and kind because it makes them look bad.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:28     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And btw if you want a book written by a smart conservative, I really liked the one about trans girls by Abigail Shrier and Prey by Ayan Hirsan-Ali. Both smart conservative women who are able to create sound arguments against wokeism. Bethany ain’t it.


Ain’t no such thing.

Although maybe they try to make arguments in better faith, I don’t know.

I do know the concern trolling by conservatives about women’s sports is inherently in bad faith given their relationship fighting the idea, however.


Show me who these conservatives who are against women’s sports.
Then show me they make up any significant portion of conservatives.
Like it or not, conservatives have daughters, wives, sisters etc who play sports.
In fact, many of them even - gasp - SUPPORT them and want them to have such opportunities.
Sorry this doesn’t fit your narrative.

Republicans only began to pretend to care about women’s sports when trans women joined them. It’s not about supporting women in sports, it’s about homophobia. If you don’t know about the GOP’s documented hostility toward Title IX and women in sports, that’s a failure on your part.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:26     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing. I reckon most liberals would consider me a conservative. In fact a lot of liberals have told me they think I’m a secret conservative. I’m not, I voted for Biden, but I agree with Robby Soave that wokeness is something you know when you see or whatever. I don’t get trans/non-binary stuff (but I try to be respectful and use correct pronouns), I think it’s weird that there are so many trans kids, I despise inclusive language…you’d think I’m the perfect customer for Bethany’s book.

But no, even though I probably agree with Bethany on a lot, I think she’s a complete shit for brains. It’s true, I can’t define wokeness but I also didn’t spend a year writing a book about it. You’d think someone who wrote an entire chapter defining woke would have come up with a 15 second explanation. Like, Bethany at no point when writing the book did you and Karol think “Hey during the media tour we’ll probably be asked to define this super vague word. We should have a brief and pithy explanation”? No, you didn’t, because you and Karol are both effing stupid. But Karol didn’t shit the bed today on live TV so we’ll leave her out of this.

On top of just generally being stupid, she’s an attention seeker. This woman loves to be talked about badly on line so she can pull song and dance numero uno from the MAGA playbook: Martyrdom. Bethany loves to tweet “play stupid games win stupid prizes,” but then when she does something dumb and people call her on it, she is SHOCKED. She’s an edge lord and grade A troll who loves to fuel the outrage Olympics. Instead of just tweeting something normal in spring of 2020 like “Hey maybe we should evaluate how lockdowns will affect kids and the economy long term” she literally tweeted “call me a grandma killer I’m going to the zoo” and was surprised that people were like “wtf?”

And remember, kids. Bethany claimed to be anti-Trump until she realized being MAGA brought more clicks. So she was vocally pro-Trump all through the 2020 election. And then on January 6 she pretended she had never been pro-Trump. The end.


I don't think most liberals would consider you a conservative - I think most of us feel more or less exactly like you do. A little baffled by all the kids who are suddenly changing genders or are non-binary, don't love "they" language or having to announce your pronouns. But I think at the same time we also don't think that trans kids - or ANYONE - should be hunted down and persecuted, and their parents sent to jail, and drag queens dragged into the streets, and all that. Like we can have a little twitchiness about where we are in the process of all this without becoming insane reactionaries - or, in most cases, hateful, craven opportunists - like Republicans are.

I think Hegel got it right - there's thesis, antithesis, synthesis. We're at the antithesis stage of all this right now. Eventually it will all just settle into a normal, natural pattern and more or less be NBD. But right now the Rs are all inflamed, and Ds like us - who I think are the majority - are mostly biding our time, biting our tongues, and trying not to make anything worse. I'd definitely rather be a little eye rolly about pronouns than have books about gay people stripped from libraries while parents of trans kids worry about their kids being taken away and themselves being sent to jail.

Meanwhile Very Online people continue to be Very Online. I guess the thing is that the Ds aren't ruled by the Very Online people - the leaders are moderates. Republicans live and die by what the Very Online mob dictates.


+1 to ALL of this. You summed up exactly where I am.

I think "woke" is basically the substitute for "politically correct." Remember how much derision there was around that term? When really all that was being asked was not to use racial slurs anymore and affording everyone basic respect?
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:26     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:]
Anonymous wrote:
I love the land acknowledgements. That one is the opposite of “woke,” it’s just telling the truth, gently and repeatedly. My home sits on Dakota and Anishinaabe land. That’s the truth.


No, it is not the truth. Your home currently sits on US (or possibly Canadian) land. There was a time in the past when Dakota or Anishinaabe-speaking people lived on the land. They almost certainly conquered other peoples to get that land. Civilizations constantly come and go -- in Europe, Asia, and Africa as well as North America.

And why should we constantly repeat the fact that Anishinaabe people formerly lived on the land? Why not gently and repeatedly state the fact that the Anishinaabe practiced cannibalism, sometimes boiling and eating their foes after battles? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe) These are both facts that we should study in history class. There is no need to make either into a quasi-religious incantation.

Thanks for proving my point about why I love the land acknowledgements.


Fine, you do your religious incantations and I'll do mine. Just don't make me do yours.

Pointing out that a building occupies land from which a population was genocided is not a “religious incantation,” it’s the truth no matter how you try to obfuscate (and try to share scary facts like I didn’t already know them? Do you think no one reads books?).

You probably don’t stand for the anthem and have told your children not to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance, which, after all, declares that our nation is “under God.” That’s an actual religious incantation. They’re religious incantations used for you to virtue signal. But again, thank you for showing me that land acknowledgments are a net positive and useful teaching tool.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:18     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And btw if you want a book written by a smart conservative, I really liked the one about trans girls by Abigail Shrier and Prey by Ayan Hirsan-Ali. Both smart conservative women who are able to create sound arguments against wokeism. Bethany ain’t it.


Ain’t no such thing.

Although maybe they try to make arguments in better faith, I don’t know.

I do know the concern trolling by conservatives about women’s sports is inherently in bad faith given their relationship fighting the idea, however.


Show me who these conservatives who are against women’s sports.
Then show me they make up any significant portion of conservatives.
Like it or not, conservatives have daughters, wives, sisters etc who play sports.
In fact, many of them even - gasp - SUPPORT them and want them to have such opportunities.
Sorry this doesn’t fit your narrative.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:17     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:]
Anonymous wrote:
I love the land acknowledgements. That one is the opposite of “woke,” it’s just telling the truth, gently and repeatedly. My home sits on Dakota and Anishinaabe land. That’s the truth.


No, it is not the truth. Your home currently sits on US (or possibly Canadian) land. There was a time in the past when Dakota or Anishinaabe-speaking people lived on the land. They almost certainly conquered other peoples to get that land. Civilizations constantly come and go -- in Europe, Asia, and Africa as well as North America.

And why should we constantly repeat the fact that Anishinaabe people formerly lived on the land? Why not gently and repeatedly state the fact that the Anishinaabe practiced cannibalism, sometimes boiling and eating their foes after battles? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe) These are both facts that we should study in history class. There is no need to make either into a quasi-religious incantation.

Thanks for proving my point about why I love the land acknowledgements.


Fine, you do your religious incantations and I'll do mine. Just don't make me do yours.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2023 11:16     Subject: What is "woke?" Conservative author tries to define it
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely iconic that Bethany is calling people on the internet gross while her weird ass constantly tweets about how hot “breeding sex” is. Like I’ve never taken kids to drag queen story hour and I also don’t want to hear about the Mandela’ sex life


Link please!