Anonymous
07/03/2023 23:35
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Federal workers are a grumpy bunch and generally don’t appreciate how overpaid they are for the work they do. Must research suggests that Fed retirement benefits alone are worth a third of Fed salaries, so think about next time you think you’re underpaid. Admin employee salaries are the most egregious. Basically, it’s a welfare program for minority women.
I’ll ignore the blatantly racist comment and address the value of government pension. The above statement is entirely correct if the last time you heard anything about the federal pension was during the Reagan administration. For those of us who live in the present: new hires will be paying 4.4% of their salaries into the pension fund for the 40 years they’re employed, and that gives them a 44% pension for the 20 or so years they’ll receive it. Do the math. They’re paying for the pension themselves. Its additional value is roughly nothing, not 30%. Wake up and do a little research before you spout this nonsense.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:44
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
Learn how the law works before you tell someone to check their reading comprehension. DOD civilian employees are on the GS scale, and in fact, DOD issues the federal wage schedule. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/ ("The Department of Defense (DOD) is the lead agency responsible for conducting Federal Wage System (FWS) wage surveys and issuing wage schedules. DOD's Civilian Personnel Advisory Service maintains a website with all FWS wage schedules.").
By accepting the pay increase for DOD civilians, Congress essentially has accepted the pay increase across the GS scale. That's why multiple sources are speculating that federal workers are likely going to get the 5.2 percent pay increase.
No they don't. They can easily include language in an appropriation taking the DoD out of the GS scale and giving them GS +x%
Which DoD civilians would object to. Because that makes them less hirable by all other agencies and limits their mobility, just to make some neckbeard happy?
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:36
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Pretty sure the proposed raise was based upon the CPI-L so it's a sound data-driven approach to giving raises.
The debt ceiling deal came after Biden’s proposed pay increase and includes essentially no increase to federal discretionary spending, so people were concerned that the deal would preclude the pay increase from moving forward. But that seems not to be the case for reasons I don’t understand. My guess is the overall impact on federal spending isn’t that high assuming salaries are maybe 15-20% of discretionary spending.
A 5.2 percent raise and a budget cut means program cuts, a hiring freeze, and maybe a rif. That seems like something republicans could get behind
Yeah, as a fed in an office that's already stretched very thin, I'm pretty worried about this. I doubt we'll see an RIF but a hiring freeze seems possible. We might also have projects canceled, but I'm not even worried about that, managing more projects with fewer people than we have now is a losing game.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:34
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Federal workers are a grumpy bunch and generally don’t appreciate how overpaid they are for the work they do. Must research suggests that Fed retirement benefits alone are worth a third of Fed salaries, so think about next time you think you’re underpaid. Admin employee salaries are the most egregious. Basically, it’s a welfare program for minority women.
“M[o]st research suggests” is the new “people are saying”.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:29
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
This. Federal pay raises started lagging inflation when military pay raises started being treated separately (Obama was happy to freeze civilian pay, but the optics of freezing military pay would have been bad, so they were separated). Republicans win because they can give the troops a raise and screw feds.
DoD civilians are on the GS scale. You can’t amend their pay without amending everyone else, just as you can’t cut everyone without cutting them.
Not all of us are GS. I’m a DOD civilian on an AD scale.
That’s a pay band though. It still is mostly based on GS scales, just the grades are grouped together and there are no step increases……I worked on an ND scale for many years.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:26
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Federal workers are a grumpy bunch and generally don’t appreciate how overpaid they are for the work they do. Must research suggests that Fed retirement benefits alone are worth a third of Fed salaries, so think about next time you think you’re underpaid. Admin employee salaries are the most egregious. Basically, it’s a welfare program for minority women.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:27
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Glad to see such well reasoned and thoughtful
comments from 20:20.
comments from 20:20.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:15
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Only a handful of agencies are off GS, mostly the financial regulators that are self funded. Congress isn’t likely to create a new DOD-specific pay scale.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 19:18
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
Learn how the law works before you tell someone to check their reading comprehension. DOD civilian employees are on the GS scale, and in fact, DOD issues the federal wage schedule. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/ ("The Department of Defense (DOD) is the lead agency responsible for conducting Federal Wage System (FWS) wage surveys and issuing wage schedules. DOD's Civilian Personnel Advisory Service maintains a website with all FWS wage schedules.").
By accepting the pay increase for DOD civilians, Congress essentially has accepted the pay increase across the GS scale. That's why multiple sources are speculating that federal workers are likely going to get the 5.2 percent pay increase.
No they don't. They can easily include language in an appropriation taking the DoD out of the GS scale and giving them GS +x%
Anonymous
07/03/2023 19:16
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
This. Federal pay raises started lagging inflation when military pay raises started being treated separately (Obama was happy to freeze civilian pay, but the optics of freezing military pay would have been bad, so they were separated). Republicans win because they can give the troops a raise and screw feds.
DoD civilians are on the GS scale. You can’t amend their pay without amending everyone else, just as you can’t cut everyone without cutting them.
Not all of us are GS. I’m a DOD civilian on an AD scale.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 18:30
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
Learn how the law works before you tell someone to check their reading comprehension. DOD civilian employees are on the GS scale, and in fact, DOD issues the federal wage schedule. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/ ("The Department of Defense (DOD) is the lead agency responsible for conducting Federal Wage System (FWS) wage surveys and issuing wage schedules. DOD's Civilian Personnel Advisory Service maintains a website with all FWS wage schedules.").
By accepting the pay increase for DOD civilians, Congress essentially has accepted the pay increase across the GS scale. That's why multiple sources are speculating that federal workers are likely going to get the 5.2 percent pay increase.
This is wrong. The FWS is for blue collar/service-type jobs - https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-systems/federal-wage-system/
Anonymous
07/03/2023 15:26
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
Learn how the law works before you tell someone to check their reading comprehension. DOD civilian employees are on the GS scale, and in fact, DOD issues the federal wage schedule. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/ ("The Department of Defense (DOD) is the lead agency responsible for conducting Federal Wage System (FWS) wage surveys and issuing wage schedules. DOD's Civilian Personnel Advisory Service maintains a website with all FWS wage schedules.").
By accepting the pay increase for DOD civilians, Congress essentially has accepted the pay increase across the GS scale. That's why multiple sources are speculating that federal workers are likely going to get the 5.2 percent pay increase.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 15:18
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
This. Federal pay raises started lagging inflation when military pay raises started being treated separately (Obama was happy to freeze civilian pay, but the optics of freezing military pay would have been bad, so they were separated). Republicans win because they can give the troops a raise and screw feds.
DoD civilians are on the GS scale. You can’t amend their pay without amending everyone else, just as you can’t cut everyone without cutting them.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 15:01
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Pretty sure the proposed raise was based upon the CPI-L so it's a sound data-driven approach to giving raises.
The debt ceiling deal came after Biden’s proposed pay increase and includes essentially no increase to federal discretionary spending, so people were concerned that the deal would preclude the pay increase from moving forward. But that seems not to be the case for reasons I don’t understand. My guess is the overall impact on federal spending isn’t that high assuming salaries are maybe 15-20% of discretionary spending.
A 5.2 percent raise and a budget cut means program cuts, a hiring freeze, and maybe a rif. That seems like something republicans could get behind
Anonymous
07/03/2023 15:00
Subject: Biden to propose 5.2% federal pay increase, largest in pay raise in 43 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seems like things are heading in the direction of 5.2 percent.
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2023/06/odds-52-pay-raise-feds-2024-improve-release-senate-defense-policy-bill-ndaa/387928/
https://stwserve.com/2024-federal-pay-raise-update-4/
Fine with me if the GOP wants to waste its efforts on coverage of abortion and transgender care, which the Dems will never agree to anyway.
Check your reading comprehension.
This is for military and DOD civilians and completely separate from that of the proposed average 5.2% GS pay increase.
This. Federal pay raises started lagging inflation when military pay raises started being treated separately (Obama was happy to freeze civilian pay, but the optics of freezing military pay would have been bad, so they were separated). Republicans win because they can give the troops a raise and screw feds.