Anonymous
02/19/2023 13:01
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze
No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.
Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.
Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.
And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals
It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.
I posted earlier in this thread. But what is the cost of all this perspective broadening (which again doesn’t automatically happen with travel abroad)? It rubs me the wrong way as a person from a developing country that people like you use other countries as playgrounds to broaden your horizons when most of the time you aren’t doing such a thing.
People like this will travel to other countries and come back talking about how eye-opening it was to see poverty there. Meanwhile they live in DC and get mad about tent encampments lowering their property values.
Most travel does not broaden perspectives. It makes people feel more sophisticated, which is different.
??? Nobody I know does that. Do you only know Mormon missionaries or something? The people I know are going places way better than here, they’re having incredible experiences, they’re not poverty tourists on mission trips.
Anonymous
02/19/2023 12:03
Subject: travel jealousy
For a lot of us who travel a lot we feel pressure to get those trips in while our kids are still home. My own experience is that real family vacations end when the first kid goes to college. So maybe a lot of the families are doing more now because they know time is limited.
Anonymous
02/19/2023 11:53
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.
If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.
I wasn’t saying not to travel. We are flying overseas for spring break. My point was we need to really start thinking about our actions and their impact. How much is too much? To a hardcore environmentalist, my trip overseas is indulgent…and it probably is. Somebody’s 4000 square foot home is frowned on. I’m not casting stones. Most of us are guilty of over consumption to some degree. I worry that we are not leaving the earth better than we found it and future generations will say “what were they thinking.”
Again, until nations and corporations make large strides, the rest is just us spraying a garden hose at a forest fire.
This just mental gymnastics to give yourself permission to trash your own children's future.
Anonymous
02/19/2023 08:29
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So jealous of some family that take 5 exclusive trips a year. It is just too expensive for us. We have kids and with the cost of college rising we just don't have enough. And travel prices are so expensive now. I don't know how people do it. My husband and I both work tirelessly and still can't get by.
We traveled extensively with kids and did not save for college. Older is graduating from university this year with no debt due to the full scholarship, same plan for next kid. You don't have to travel expensively, there are plenty low cost locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. For example, skiing in Austria is much cheaper than skiing in West Virginia.
Lies. You can’t even FLY to Austria for what I spend all-in for us to ski at Snowshoe. Who cares if you spend less once you are there.
We flew first class ad stayed at the St. Regis in Miami fora week for almost the exact same amount as it would have cost to stay at the hotel closest to my in laws in OC MD.
I’m the pp. We too fly to FL rather than use local beaches and I agree. But the Austria example is not the same type of comparison. Even if I could fly the 4 of us to Austria for $800 each (a steal), $3200 is still more than I spend at Snowshoe, including lodging, rentals, tickets and meals.
Anonymous
02/19/2023 06:51
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So jealous of some family that take 5 exclusive trips a year. It is just too expensive for us. We have kids and with the cost of college rising we just don't have enough. And travel prices are so expensive now. I don't know how people do it. My husband and I both work tirelessly and still can't get by.
We traveled extensively with kids and did not save for college. Older is graduating from university this year with no debt due to the full scholarship, same plan for next kid. You don't have to travel expensively, there are plenty low cost locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. For example, skiing in Austria is much cheaper than skiing in West Virginia.
Lies. You can’t even FLY to Austria for what I spend all-in for us to ski at Snowshoe. Who cares if you spend less once you are there.
We flew first class ad stayed at the St. Regis in Miami fora week for almost the exact same amount as it would have cost to stay at the hotel closest to my in laws in OC MD.
I believe you. Decent hotels in Ocean City are insanely expensive in the summer. While OC is fun in small doses, nosy am I paying over $600 per night for a hotel room there. People like OC because it’s easy to get to. Miami requires a flight and a little more work to get there.
For the Austria/Snowshoe comparison…the only way Austria might be cheaper than Snowshoe is if you travel alone. If you have a family, airfare is going to eat up your money. If you go solo, maybe it’s cheaper? You would have to score a good airfare, stay at a moderate hotel in Innsbruck and I do believe that lift tix are cheaper in Europe than the U.S.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 22:32
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So jealous of some family that take 5 exclusive trips a year. It is just too expensive for us. We have kids and with the cost of college rising we just don't have enough. And travel prices are so expensive now. I don't know how people do it. My husband and I both work tirelessly and still can't get by.
We traveled extensively with kids and did not save for college. Older is graduating from university this year with no debt due to the full scholarship, same plan for next kid. You don't have to travel expensively, there are plenty low cost locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. For example, skiing in Austria is much cheaper than skiing in West Virginia.
Lies. You can’t even FLY to Austria for what I spend all-in for us to ski at Snowshoe. Who cares if you spend less once you are there.
We flew first class ad stayed at the St. Regis in Miami fora week for almost the exact same amount as it would have cost to stay at the hotel closest to my in laws in OC MD.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 20:01
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.
Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.
It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.
It's the elephant in the room.
I'm pretty sure these respondents have a Tesla and think they are holier than thou, without wondering about what kind of mining went into making the battery and how it's going to be disposed of when they're done with their car.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 19:58
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So jealous of some family that take 5 exclusive trips a year. It is just too expensive for us. We have kids and with the cost of college rising we just don't have enough. And travel prices are so expensive now. I don't know how people do it. My husband and I both work tirelessly and still can't get by.
We traveled extensively with kids and did not save for college. Older is graduating from university this year with no debt due to the full scholarship, same plan for next kid. You don't have to travel expensively, there are plenty low cost locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. For example, skiing in Austria is much cheaper than skiing in West Virginia.
Lies. You can’t even FLY to Austria for what I spend all-in for us to ski at Snowshoe. Who cares if you spend less once you are there.
True dat.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 19:56
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze
No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.
Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.
Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.
And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals
It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.
Where is there shaming in the prior post? It's just descriptive.
Though since you mentioned it, travel can be a perspective-broadening experience, but it isn't always. And some people travel in ways designed to keep their perspective as narrow as possible. Meanwhile there are people who don't travel at all and are good at finding perspective-broadening opportunities close to home. A lot of people just travel to relax or shop or whatever. I don't view people taking Caribbean cruises as some kind of public good.
The cruise ports had a taste of what it would be without tourists during the pandemic - and I'm pretty sure 99% decided they'd rather have that business and reopened. They could have stayed closed. I believe Acadia and Key West and Venice have considered closing to cruises - it's something possible to do if a locale doesn't want those tourists anymore.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 18:44
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze
No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.
Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.
Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.
And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals
It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.
I posted earlier in this thread. But what is the cost of all this perspective broadening (which again doesn’t automatically happen with travel abroad)? It rubs me the wrong way as a person from a developing country that people like you use other countries as playgrounds to broaden your horizons when most of the time you aren’t doing such a thing.
People like this will travel to other countries and come back talking about how eye-opening it was to see poverty there. Meanwhile they live in DC and get mad about tent encampments lowering their property values.
Most travel does not broaden perspectives. It makes people feel more sophisticated, which is different.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 18:41
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze
No. Humans are driven to travel and roam, stupid. They’ve always done it.
Some have. The vast majority of human beings live within a few hours of where they were born, and most people never travel beyond their home country or region. We are actually in a very small subset of people within the history of the planet who travel this extensively. It's not "natural" in the sense that people have always done it.
Obviously it's not just social media though. It's the development of plane travel, the rise of the middle and upper middle class (not just in the US but everywhere -- global travel in recent years has been driven by the rise of the Chinese middle/upper-middle class), and the advent of the internet. But social media definitely plays a role now in terms of where people go, and has changed the way people travel and also what their goals are when they do. That's obvious if you go anywhere that is "Instagram famous" -- there are national parks where you used to be able to go pretty much anytime, even peak season, and find affordable lodging and plenty of space. Now you reservation systems that sell out constantly, park rangers who have to impose limits on how long people can spend taking selfies in certain famous locations, etc.
And even if you want to argue that social media doesn't encourage travel, you'd be crazy to think social media doesn't increase "travel jealousy", the phenomenon that is the topic of this thread. There's been travel jealousy of some kind for a long time (like when all the rich people used to leave cities in the summer and go to summer houses while all the poor people just had to get used to the scent of human feces baking in the sun) but the jealousy is a lot stringer now that the rich people can post photos for the poor people to look at. #upwindgoals
It’s wild to shame people for travel. It’s a perspective-broadening experience. That’s a great thing to spend your time and money on. Shame influencers for buying 200 pairs of jeans or Amazon hauls, sure. Travel? Get real.
I posted earlier in this thread. But what is the cost of all this perspective broadening (which again doesn’t automatically happen with travel abroad)? It rubs me the wrong way as a person from a developing country that people like you use other countries as playgrounds to broaden your horizons when most of the time you aren’t doing such a thing.
You’re from a developing country … and moved to another place … and want to shame people for traveling. LOL ok.
You don’t see the difference between migrating and traveling multiple times per year? Are you dense? Lol ok.
No way you migrated once is my point. You travel when it suits you and act like it’s a problem when others do.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 17:56
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So jealous of some family that take 5 exclusive trips a year. It is just too expensive for us. We have kids and with the cost of college rising we just don't have enough. And travel prices are so expensive now. I don't know how people do it. My husband and I both work tirelessly and still can't get by.
We traveled extensively with kids and did not save for college. Older is graduating from university this year with no debt due to the full scholarship, same plan for next kid. You don't have to travel expensively, there are plenty low cost locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. For example, skiing in Austria is much cheaper than skiing in West Virginia.
Lies. You can’t even FLY to Austria for what I spend all-in for us to ski at Snowshoe. Who cares if you spend less once you are there.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 17:52
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:So jealous of some family that take 5 exclusive trips a year. It is just too expensive for us. We have kids and with the cost of college rising we just don't have enough. And travel prices are so expensive now. I don't know how people do it. My husband and I both work tirelessly and still can't get by.
We traveled extensively with kids and did not save for college. Older is graduating from university this year with no debt due to the full scholarship, same plan for next kid. You don't have to travel expensively, there are plenty low cost locations in Asia, Africa and Europe. For example, skiing in Austria is much cheaper than skiing in West Virginia.
Anonymous
02/18/2023 17:52
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:I think the younger generation is going to look back at the 4000sq houses, Uber consumerism, and multiple plane trips as their world is burning and ask WTF.
Yes. This crowd will say, "oh oopsies, we didn't know! sorry!"
Anonymous
02/18/2023 17:49
Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.
Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.
It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.
It's the elephant in the room.