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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

Most of the parents I talk to aren't treating trans people as deviants. We are concerned about our kids exploring their gender due to social media etc and being guided into permanent surgery when they aren't actually trans. Gender affirming care doesn't question what they are experiencing and in some cases a school or doctor won't tell parents their child is changing name/pronouns.

If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. How can a child completely transition at school and socially and the parents not have a clue? How detached must they be? Or how badly must the child feel the need to hide it?

You do realize many kids are at risk from their parents finding out they’re not cishet don’t you? That it’s not up to the schools to out kids to anyone. And if it’s a phase not requiring medical treatment, why do parents need to know anyway? Should parents be informed of every nickname a kid has?

And I don’t care about if individual moms in the pickup line at your kid’s school think trans people are deviant. There are elected officials and parents in communities banning books mentioning anything related to the lgbt community, an entire state’s classroom libraries emptied of books except the ones conservative politicians and their appointees approve to protect children from lgbtq words. Imagine being a gay or trans child in those areas. Imagine raising one and tell me you don’t feel like they think you’re a deviant. In multiple states it’s illegal or abusive to seek medical treatment for your minor child trying to transition. I’m glad you don’t think we’re deviants, but did you and your mom friends vote for people who do? Good for y’all if you didn’t, but plenty people vote for politicians do, then wash their hands of it and say they’re supportive.

Well there's also the profit motive from healthcare providers. With gender affirming care they simplify guide the patient to expensive, lifelong hormone treatments and possibly surgery. You seem to be implying there isn't an adolescent/teen gender social movement where kids pick a gender out of 2000 or so then post about it. I think the same thing happened during the LGBTQ's early movement where kids/teens explored their sexuality, however if you later decide you are hetero you still have your body and hormones intact.

Anonymous wrote:NP. There is no way I can believe the Republican Party cares about kids. No way at all. You cannot be the party that enables school shootings and strips children of education and expect me to believe you care at all about kids.

But you also can’t expect me to look around at the current landscape and not see how troubling this is. I believe we are going to look back at some aspects of gender affirmative care with the same horror that we regard lobotomies with, eventually. We will see that profit-based, male-dominated medicine targeted autistic, non-stereotypical, neurodiverse girls for life-altering and often sterilizing interventions. As a neuro-atypical woman, I look around at the language around trans, the enormous sexism in the trans movement, the rank misogyny, and it is horrifying.

I don’t know what the answer is. I believe there are indeed trans kids for whom gender affirming care is necessary. I also believe much of what had come to be known as “gender ideology” is horribly misogynist and ableist at its heart.

Maybe the answer is to focus on the financial. Right now gender clinics are hugely profitable for medicine. That profit taints decisions. So make the profit riskier. Allow doctors to prescribe blockers but extend the statute of limitations for malpractice claims to twenty years or something long. Remove all caps on malpractice settlement sizes. Enable large awards for kids who are harmed by gender-affirming care. If profits are taken out of this equation, what will happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

Most of the parents I talk to aren't treating trans people as deviants. We are concerned about our kids exploring their gender due to social media etc and being guided into permanent surgery when they aren't actually trans. Gender affirming care doesn't question what they are experiencing and in some cases a school or doctor won't tell parents their child is changing name/pronouns.

If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. How can a child completely transition at school and socially and the parents not have a clue? How detached must they be? Or how badly must the child feel the need to hide it?

You do realize many kids are at risk from their parents finding out they’re not cishet don’t you? That it’s not up to the schools to out kids to anyone. And if it’s a phase not requiring medical treatment, why do parents need to know anyway? Should parents be informed of every nickname a kid has?

And I don’t care about if individual moms in the pickup line at your kid’s school think trans people are deviant. There are elected officials and parents in communities banning books mentioning anything related to the lgbt community, an entire state’s classroom libraries emptied of books except the ones conservative politicians and their appointees approve to protect children from lgbtq words. Imagine being a gay or trans child in those areas. Imagine raising one and tell me you don’t feel like they think you’re a deviant. In multiple states it’s illegal or abusive to seek medical treatment for your minor child trying to transition. I’m glad you don’t think we’re deviants, but did you and your mom friends vote for people who do? Good for y’all if you didn’t, but plenty people vote for politicians do, then wash their hands of it and say they’re supportive.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. There is no way I can believe the Republican Party cares about kids. No way at all. You cannot be the party that enables school shootings and strips children of education and expect me to believe you care at all about kids.

But you also can’t expect me to look around at the current landscape and not see how troubling this is. I believe we are going to look back at some aspects of gender affirmative care with the same horror that we regard lobotomies with, eventually. We will see that profit-based, male-dominated medicine targeted autistic, non-stereotypical, neurodiverse girls for life-altering and often sterilizing interventions. As a neuro-atypical woman, I look around at the language around trans, the enormous sexism in the trans movement, the rank misogyny, and it is horrifying.

I don’t know what the answer is. I believe there are indeed trans kids for whom gender affirming care is necessary. I also believe much of what had come to be known as “gender ideology” is horribly misogynist and ableist at its heart.

Maybe the answer is to focus on the financial. Right now gender clinics are hugely profitable for medicine. That profit taints decisions. So make the profit riskier. Allow doctors to prescribe blockers but extend the statute of limitations for malpractice claims to twenty years or something long. Remove all caps on malpractice settlement sizes. Enable large awards for kids who are harmed by gender-affirming care. If profits are taken out of this equation, what will happen?

I just don’t understand why people are latching onto this one issue. Healthcare is a cluster f all over our country. Obesity is an epidemic. Pregnancy is an increasingly risky endeavor for women. But yeah, let’s go after the trans community. I’d rather parents who let their kids have so much access to social media that their kid can be tricked into thinking they’re another gender when they’re not actually trans be reported for abuse than to withhold care for actual trans kids.

I’m the PP and I view much of this as part of a very serious resurgence of misogyny across the board. I don’t view it in isolation. I see very little difference between the extreme trans activists and the extreme anti-abortion activists. Their goal is the same: subjugation and

destruction of women.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. There is no way I can believe the Republican Party cares about kids. No way at all. You cannot be the party that enables school shootings and strips children of education and expect me to believe you care at all about kids.

But you also can’t expect me to look around at the current landscape and not see how troubling this is. I believe we are going to look back at some aspects of gender affirmative care with the same horror that we regard lobotomies with, eventually. We will see that profit-based, male-dominated medicine targeted autistic, non-stereotypical, neurodiverse girls for life-altering and often sterilizing interventions. As a neuro-atypical woman, I look around at the language around trans, the enormous sexism in the trans movement, the rank misogyny, and it is horrifying.

I don’t know what the answer is. I believe there are indeed trans kids for whom gender affirming care is necessary. I also believe much of what had come to be known as “gender ideology” is horribly misogynist and ableist at its heart.

Maybe the answer is to focus on the financial. Right now gender clinics are hugely profitable for medicine. That profit taints decisions. So make the profit riskier. Allow doctors to prescribe blockers but extend the statute of limitations for malpractice claims to twenty years or something long. Remove all caps on malpractice settlement sizes. Enable large awards for kids who are harmed by gender-affirming care. If profits are taken out of this equation, what will happen?

I just don’t understand why people are latching onto this one issue. Healthcare is a cluster f all over our country. Obesity is an epidemic. Pregnancy is an increasingly risky endeavor for women. But yeah, let’s go after the trans community. I’d rather parents who let their kids have so much access to social media that their kid can be tricked into thinking they’re another gender when they’re not actually trans be reported for abuse than to withhold care for actual trans kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is a bad thing.
We are talking about procedures that have life-long consequences when these people are minors and do not have the critical thinking or judgment to know the full effects of their decisions.

I’m a liberal and I have no issues with this. Though it does sort of feel like a solution in search of a problem.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is a bad thing.
We are talking about procedures that have life-long consequences when these people are minors and do not have the critical thinking or judgment to know the full effects of their decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.

Most of the parents I talk to aren't treating trans people as deviants. We are concerned about our kids exploring their gender due to social media etc and being guided into permanent surgery when they aren't actually trans. Gender affirming care doesn't question what they are experiencing and in some cases a school or doctor won't tell parents their child is changing name/pronouns.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is cutting off genitals of children. Educate yourself. They're making gender affirming care illegal, which includes a lot of treatments, few of which are surgical.

Hormones and puberty blockers are not safe and shouldn't be given to children. Doctors know this, they are just choosing to look the other way in these situations.

So state legislators know better than doctors and patients?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

Anonymous wrote:NP. There is no way I can believe the Republican Party cares about kids. No way at all. You cannot be the party that enables school shootings and strips children of education and expect me to believe you care at all about kids.

But you also can’t expect me to look around at the current landscape and not see how troubling this is. I believe we are going to look back at some aspects of gender affirmative care with the same horror that we regard lobotomies with, eventually. We will see that profit-based, male-dominated medicine targeted autistic, non-stereotypical, neurodiverse girls for life-altering and often sterilizing interventions. As a neuro-atypical woman, I look around at the language around trans, the enormous sexism in the trans movement, the rank misogyny, and it is horrifying.

I don’t know what the answer is. I believe there are indeed trans kids for whom gender affirming care is necessary. I also believe much of what had come to be known as “gender ideology” is horribly misogynist and ableist at its heart.

Maybe the answer is to focus on the financial. Right now gender clinics are hugely profitable for medicine. That profit taints decisions. So make the profit riskier. Allow doctors to prescribe blockers but extend the statute of limitations for malpractice claims to twenty years or something long. Remove all caps on malpractice settlement sizes. Enable large awards for kids who are harmed by gender-affirming care. If profits are taken out of this equation, what will happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any studies or numbers on the suicide rates for trans teenagers? I’ve heard that it’s high, but don’t know specifics.
If there is data, has it changed over the years?

It’s high. The main factor isn’t just that they’re trans, it’s that they’re trans and not supported by their family. When families are supportive, the numbers are lower.

I’m curious about the numbers in the 90’s, and 00’s.
I wonder if those numbers have changed.

You can Google it. I don’t have time. It’s been a steady thing though, lgbtq youth who are accepted have much lower rates of mental illness and death from suicide compared to those whose families are unsupportive, although both are higher than cishet youth. It’s probably something to do with it being acceptable in our society to treat them like deviants and politicians trying to make laws against them. Imagine being a trans youth in SD today. Even if your parents are supportive and helping you get treatment, state law says no, you shouldn’t exist, sorry. So what now? As a parent, I’d use the next year to find a new job and move to a state where treating my child isn’t illegal, but I know that would tear my son up because he’s feel responsible for upending our lives and causing us to move and change jobs. Those politicians feel like it’s more important to keep people closeted than to prevent suicides.