Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 18:30     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Collectively, Americans love our guns more than our children. If you disagree, what specifically are you doing to end the free for all?
I’ll start, I give to Everytown and volunteer uo help elect pro gun safety candidates up and down ballot.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 16:41     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws


Blame Carol Simeon, she didn’t have to plea him down


She shouldn't have allowed the plea deal.

BUT blaming one random prosecutor doesn't address the next mass shooting. And the next. And the next. And the next. And there WILL be more.
Legislation would have addressed it. And that is still 100% on Republicans. No way around it.

+1 There’s no way every single prosecutor can bring every single defendant to trial on the highest possible charge every time. The system would collapse.


What was in his past, or the actual charge, that would suggest a plea deal wasn't in the state's best interest AT THAT TIME? From what I'm reading, and I haven't read all of it, he was sitting on a stoop when cops came up to him. He was found to have a concealed weapon on him. Ok, that's a charge. It wasn't in found in the commission of a crime, or some other aggravating circumstance. No other criminal record. He's the poster child for pleading down to a misdemeanor. Hindsight is 20/20. I get that. You know nothing of the thousands of others charged with felony weapons charges, pled down to a misdemeanor, and nothing ever came of it. This feels like an Aha moment only because he went on to commit a crime.

We can't have it both ways. We either want open, unregulated firearm possession, or we can be "tough on crime," and that includes firearm possession. That's "all" his previous misdemeanor charge was. Firearm possession. Something so many of you do, and the only thing he didn't do was file some paperwork. And then he completed his probation. So he was legal, until he wasn't, as people keep pointing out. I can't find anything that says he couldn't possess this firearm after his probation ended. This is the problem. Everyone is legal until they commit the crime. This is what we asked for in this country. This is gun culture.


If he was in Texas when sitting on that porch, he would not have been charged with anything. Permit-less concealed carry is legal in Texas, absent any circumstances that would have prevented him from owning a firearm.

So yeah, it’s no wonder they let him plead down. If he was in lots of other states, there would not have even been a crime!
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 15:22     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: What is wrong with American men that they resort to gun violence at higher rates than found in other developed countries?


I'd be very interested in theories of why American men are more prone to these killing sprees than citizens of other countries, particularly from people who think that the availability of guns themselves isn't a significant contributor to this problem.


Backwards old macho culture that cannot accept it is 2023 and not 1959.


This theory would make a bit more sense if only mass shootings were common in 1959.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 15:11     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws


Blame Carol Simeon, she didn’t have to plea him down


She shouldn't have allowed the plea deal.

BUT blaming one random prosecutor doesn't address the next mass shooting. And the next. And the next. And the next. And there WILL be more.
Legislation would have addressed it. And that is still 100% on Republicans. No way around it.

+1 There’s no way every single prosecutor can bring every single defendant to trial on the highest possible charge every time. The system would collapse.


What was in his past, or the actual charge, that would suggest a plea deal wasn't in the state's best interest AT THAT TIME? From what I'm reading, and I haven't read all of it, he was sitting on a stoop when cops came up to him. He was found to have a concealed weapon on him. Ok, that's a charge. It wasn't in found in the commission of a crime, or some other aggravating circumstance. No other criminal record. He's the poster child for pleading down to a misdemeanor. Hindsight is 20/20. I get that. You know nothing of the thousands of others charged with felony weapons charges, pled down to a misdemeanor, and nothing ever came of it. This feels like an Aha moment only because he went on to commit a crime.

We can't have it both ways. We either want open, unregulated firearm possession, or we can be "tough on crime," and that includes firearm possession. That's "all" his previous misdemeanor charge was. Firearm possession. Something so many of you do, and the only thing he didn't do was file some paperwork. And then he completed his probation. So he was legal, until he wasn't, as people keep pointing out. I can't find anything that says he couldn't possess this firearm after his probation ended. This is the problem. Everyone is legal until they commit the crime. This is what we asked for in this country. This is gun culture.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 15:09     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: What is wrong with American men that they resort to gun violence at higher rates than found in other developed countries?


I'd be very interested in theories of why American men are more prone to these killing sprees than citizens of other countries, particularly from people who think that the availability of guns themselves isn't a significant contributor to this problem.


There's a toxic culture aspect to it that far outweighs everything else.


Honor culture messes people up.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 15:08     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:For weapons charges (guns in particular) they should! Does MI have red flag laws?


But, according to the Second Amendment purists anyway, there shouldn't be any weapons charges in the first place because there shouldn't be restrictions on one's God-given, constitutional right to carry a gun.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:50     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
For weapons charges (guns in particular) they should! Does MI have red flag laws?
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:47     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws


Blame Carol Simeon, she didn’t have to plea him down


She shouldn't have allowed the plea deal.

BUT blaming one random prosecutor doesn't address the next mass shooting. And the next. And the next. And the next. And there WILL be more.
Legislation would have addressed it. And that is still 100% on Republicans. No way around it.

+1 There’s no way every single prosecutor can bring every single defendant to trial on the highest possible charge every time. The system would collapse.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:36     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:Collectively, Americans love our guns more than our children. If you disagree, what specifically are you doing to end the free for all?
I’ll start, I give to Everytown and volunteer uo help elect pro gun safety candidates up and down ballot.


Go out to some parts of the country it's guns first, ludicrous pickup trucks second (as in no crew cab or practicality for family as passengers) and children are relegated to being little more than a slogan unless they are unborn.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:33     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: What is wrong with American men that they resort to gun violence at higher rates than found in other developed countries?


I'd be very interested in theories of why American men are more prone to these killing sprees than citizens of other countries, particularly from people who think that the availability of guns themselves isn't a significant contributor to this problem.


There's a toxic culture aspect to it that far outweighs everything else.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:32     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Collectively, Americans love our guns more than our children. If you disagree, what specifically are you doing to end the free for all?
I’ll start, I give to Everytown and volunteer uo help elect pro gun safety candidates up and down ballot.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:25     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws


Blame Carol Simeon, she didn’t have to plea him down


She shouldn't have allowed the plea deal.

BUT blaming one random prosecutor doesn't address the next mass shooting. And the next. And the next. And the next. And there WILL be more.
Legislation would have addressed it. And that is still 100% on Republicans. No way around it.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:20     Subject: Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan shooting is 100% on Republicans. They blocked legislation that could have prevented it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/15/michigan-state-shooting-republicans-blocked-gun-reform-laws


Blame Carol Simeon, she didn’t have to plea him down


Plenty of nutters to go around. If not him...
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:17     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: What is wrong with American men that they resort to gun violence at higher rates than found in other developed countries?


I'd be very interested in theories of why American men are more prone to these killing sprees than citizens of other countries, particularly from people who think that the availability of guns themselves isn't a significant contributor to this problem.


Backwards old macho culture that cannot accept it is 2023 and not 1959.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2023 14:13     Subject: Re:Active shooter Michigan State
Anonymous wrote: What is wrong with American men that they resort to gun violence at higher rates than found in other developed countries?


I'd be very interested in theories of why American men are more prone to these killing sprees than citizens of other countries, particularly from people who think that the availability of guns themselves isn't a significant contributor to this problem.