Anonymous
02/11/2023 17:41
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Elementary School Teacher?
I currently live in another city, and there is a public elementary school here that is run in conjunction with a local elite university. From perusing LinkedIn and the school’s directory, most of the school’s faculty & staff have BAs and/or MAs from that elite school or a different one. This is a city public school, not a suburban one, so teachers are not well-paid.
Would you be bothered if your child ended up doing that?
Yes. Teaching is good, honest work and necessary in our world.
I'd prefer to send my kids to schools where the teachers have gone to good colleges.
There is nothing wrong with being a teacher.
As opposed to…bad colleges?
Anonymous
02/11/2023 17:40
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Elementary School Teacher?
I currently live in another city, and there is a public elementary school here that is run in conjunction with a local elite university. From perusing LinkedIn and the school’s directory, most of the school’s faculty & staff have BAs and/or MAs from that elite school or a different one. This is a city public school, not a suburban one, so teachers are not well-paid.
Would you be bothered if your child ended up doing that?
Yes. Teaching is good, honest work and necessary in our world.
I'd prefer to send my kids to schools where the teachers have gone to good colleges.
There is nothing wrong with being a teacher.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 17:40
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Define elite.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 17:39
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My parents sent me to a big 3 and then I went to a highly regarded college. My mom was a school teacher and I think my parents were very proud that I chose to be a teacher. My hours and days off schedule aligned with my kids who are in the same school system which allowed me to spend a lot of time with them after school and on breaks which they know is good for their grandchildren.
Also, I bet my students and their parents appreciate that elite education.
This is PEAK flex and, also nauseatingly self-satisfied. I'm not sure why PP has such an overinflated ego, but it's unwarrented. I certainly wouldn't care if my kids became teachers, it's a pretty sweet life if you can afford it. But I would hope they aren't entitled suprior pricks like PP. Posters like this one is why DCUM hates teachers.
Lmao
This is the same reaction I had. I don’t think my hours or working conditions are part of a “sweet life.” If it were so sweet, there wouldn’t be such a mass exodus out of the profession right now. Heck, I have crying coworkers because of the job’s stress.
I posted above. No, I don’t support my kids going into teaching. It’s not because I find the job unimportant or lacking respect. (On the contrary, it’s one of the most important jobs one can have.) It’s because the conditions are dreadful right now.
Compared to most other professions - teachers work fewer hours a year. And all the stress I hear about from teachers - you have things that have to get done in a timely way, your clients are demanding (parents and teachers), and the expectations can sometimes seem overwhelming - is just normal work stuff. "Stress" is performing surgery, speaking in front of boards of corporations, flying a plane, negotiating national treaties, leading staffs in the hundreds through a recession.
Could it possibly be that the mass exodus is occurring for reasons other than "stress?" Because most of the complaints seem like normal expectations of those with jobs.
I’m the PP. You’re welcome to join me at work for a week. I think you’ll have more respect for what teachers do when you actually see it. It’s high stress with no breaks. It’s 60+ hour weeks (every week). It’s impossible demands. It’s the reason why 2/3rds of my department has quit in recent years and why we have lost 4 teachers during the year this year.
I came from a corporate setting. My teaching job is (easily) 3X harder than my old job.
OP, here’s another reason to discourage a child from going into teaching. They’ll work their tails off only to be told they have it easy.
Get out of here with these preposterous lies. Teachers are not working 60+ hour weeks. Go to any school and the parking lot is empty at 4pm. Women become teachers precisely because it is less demanding than a private sector job.
I taught before I went into the private sector and my corporate job is much more demanding but that’s fine because it’s much better paid.
Night and weekend work is normal for most professions. I work at a non profit and I frequently work nights and weekends as well. The histrionics about a "stressful day" (you aren't working on an oil rig...) and "long hours" falls on seriously unsympathetic ears for those of us who work 50 weeks a year.
Do you have to give 6 hours of presentations a day?
Do you have to prepare each night for another 6 hours?
Do you have to supervise 150+ people each day? Checking in with EACH every day?
Do you have to attend (or lead) an additional 45 minute meeting each day?
Do you have to cover for your coworkers last minute almost every day?
Do you have to stand for 6+ hours a day?
Can you pee when you need to?
Nope. Nothing stressful about teaching AT ALL. It’s a job for the weak. That’s why so many people want to do it.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 17:28
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My parents sent me to a big 3 and then I went to a highly regarded college. My mom was a school teacher and I think my parents were very proud that I chose to be a teacher. My hours and days off schedule aligned with my kids who are in the same school system which allowed me to spend a lot of time with them after school and on breaks which they know is good for their grandchildren.
Also, I bet my students and their parents appreciate that elite education.
This is PEAK flex and, also nauseatingly self-satisfied. I'm not sure why PP has such an overinflated ego, but it's unwarrented. I certainly wouldn't care if my kids became teachers, it's a pretty sweet life if you can afford it. But I would hope they aren't entitled suprior pricks like PP. Posters like this one is why DCUM hates teachers.
Lmao
This is the same reaction I had. I don’t think my hours or working conditions are part of a “sweet life.” If it were so sweet, there wouldn’t be such a mass exodus out of the profession right now. Heck, I have crying coworkers because of the job’s stress.
I posted above. No, I don’t support my kids going into teaching. It’s not because I find the job unimportant or lacking respect. (On the contrary, it’s one of the most important jobs one can have.) It’s because the conditions are dreadful right now.
Compared to most other professions - teachers work fewer hours a year. And all the stress I hear about from teachers - you have things that have to get done in a timely way, your clients are demanding (parents and teachers), and the expectations can sometimes seem overwhelming - is just normal work stuff. "Stress" is performing surgery, speaking in front of boards of corporations, flying a plane, negotiating national treaties, leading staffs in the hundreds through a recession.
Could it possibly be that the mass exodus is occurring for reasons other than "stress?" Because most of the complaints seem like normal expectations of those with jobs.
I’m the PP. You’re welcome to join me at work for a week. I think you’ll have more respect for what teachers do when you actually see it. It’s high stress with no breaks. It’s 60+ hour weeks (every week). It’s impossible demands. It’s the reason why 2/3rds of my department has quit in recent years and why we have lost 4 teachers during the year this year.
I came from a corporate setting. My teaching job is (easily) 3X harder than my old job.
OP, here’s another reason to discourage a child from going into teaching. They’ll work their tails off only to be told they have it easy.
Get out of here with these preposterous lies. Teachers are not working 60+ hour weeks. Go to any school and the parking lot is empty at 4pm. Women become teachers precisely because it is less demanding than a private sector job.
I taught before I went into the private sector and my corporate job is much more demanding but that’s fine because it’s much better paid.
Night and weekend work is normal for most professions. I work at a non profit and I frequently work nights and weekends as well. The histrionics about a "stressful day" (you aren't working on an oil rig...) and "long hours" falls on seriously unsympathetic ears for those of us who work 50 weeks a year.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 16:46
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Elementary School Teacher?
I currently live in another city, and there is a public elementary school here that is run in conjunction with a local elite university. From perusing LinkedIn and the school’s directory, most of the school’s faculty & staff have BAs and/or MAs from that elite school or a different one. This is a city public school, not a suburban one, so teachers are not well-paid.
Would you be bothered if your child ended up doing that?
What “elite schools” offer degrees in elementary education?
What
Stanford, for one.
There are plenty of people who get liberal arts degrees that aren't highly marketable without graduate work in that field. Instead of going after a master's in their undergrade field, some obtain a master's in education and go on to teach MS or HS in their subject. I know some that taught ES in private schools where you don't need a teaching certificate. Elite college grads are also in high demand to act as nannies for wealthy families.
So what's the problem with any of that.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 16:41
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My parents sent me to a big 3 and then I went to a highly regarded college. My mom was a school teacher and I think my parents were very proud that I chose to be a teacher. My hours and days off schedule aligned with my kids who are in the same school system which allowed me to spend a lot of time with them after school and on breaks which they know is good for their grandchildren.
Also, I bet my students and their parents appreciate that elite education.
This is PEAK flex and, also nauseatingly self-satisfied. I'm not sure why PP has such an overinflated ego, but it's unwarrented. I certainly wouldn't care if my kids became teachers, it's a pretty sweet life if you can afford it. But I would hope they aren't entitled suprior pricks like PP. Posters like this one is why DCUM hates teachers.
Lmao
This is the same reaction I had. I don’t think my hours or working conditions are part of a “sweet life.” If it were so sweet, there wouldn’t be such a mass exodus out of the profession right now. Heck, I have crying coworkers because of the job’s stress.
I posted above. No, I don’t support my kids going into teaching. It’s not because I find the job unimportant or lacking respect. (On the contrary, it’s one of the most important jobs one can have.) It’s because the conditions are dreadful right now.
Compared to most other professions - teachers work fewer hours a year. And all the stress I hear about from teachers - you have things that have to get done in a timely way, your clients are demanding (parents and teachers), and the expectations can sometimes seem overwhelming - is just normal work stuff. "Stress" is performing surgery, speaking in front of boards of corporations, flying a plane, negotiating national treaties, leading staffs in the hundreds through a recession.
Could it possibly be that the mass exodus is occurring for reasons other than "stress?" Because most of the complaints seem like normal expectations of those with jobs.
I’m the PP. You’re welcome to join me at work for a week. I think you’ll have more respect for what teachers do when you actually see it. It’s high stress with no breaks. It’s 60+ hour weeks (every week). It’s impossible demands. It’s the reason why 2/3rds of my department has quit in recent years and why we have lost 4 teachers during the year this year.
I came from a corporate setting. My teaching job is (easily) 3X harder than my old job.
OP, here’s another reason to discourage a child from going into teaching. They’ll work their tails off only to be told they have it easy.
Get out of here with these preposterous lies. Teachers are not working 60+ hour weeks. Go to any school and the parking lot is empty at 4pm. Women become teachers precisely because it is less demanding than a private sector job.
I taught before I went into the private sector and my corporate job is much more demanding but that’s fine because it’s much better paid.
Do you think teachers can only work at school? That's a pretty odd belief. I leave at 4:30 so I can pick my kids up at daycare by 5:30. After they go to bed, I lesson plan online. Some nights I also grade which I can also do online. Most nights I work from 9:30-11:30pm. Weekends, I usually set aside 4-5 hrs to lesson plan, grade, write IEP/504 reports, print and laminate materials, etc.
Coming here to write this. I do ALL my planning and grading at night and during the weekend. I get to work at 6:30 each morning and leave at 4:30. If those 10 hours aren’t already enough (which they never are), I work again after my family goes to bed. I work every weekend.
The rude PP says that his corporate job is much more demanding and that’s fine because he is paid so much more. That’s another reason so many teachers are leaving. We have to work just as much as PP for a fraction of the pay.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:59
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My parents sent me to a big 3 and then I went to a highly regarded college. My mom was a school teacher and I think my parents were very proud that I chose to be a teacher. My hours and days off schedule aligned with my kids who are in the same school system which allowed me to spend a lot of time with them after school and on breaks which they know is good for their grandchildren.
Also, I bet my students and their parents appreciate that elite education.
This is PEAK flex and, also nauseatingly self-satisfied. I'm not sure why PP has such an overinflated ego, but it's unwarrented. I certainly wouldn't care if my kids became teachers, it's a pretty sweet life if you can afford it. But I would hope they aren't entitled suprior pricks like PP. Posters like this one is why DCUM hates teachers.
Lmao
This is the same reaction I had. I don’t think my hours or working conditions are part of a “sweet life.” If it were so sweet, there wouldn’t be such a mass exodus out of the profession right now. Heck, I have crying coworkers because of the job’s stress.
I posted above. No, I don’t support my kids going into teaching. It’s not because I find the job unimportant or lacking respect. (On the contrary, it’s one of the most important jobs one can have.) It’s because the conditions are dreadful right now.
Compared to most other professions - teachers work fewer hours a year. And all the stress I hear about from teachers - you have things that have to get done in a timely way, your clients are demanding (parents and teachers), and the expectations can sometimes seem overwhelming - is just normal work stuff. "Stress" is performing surgery, speaking in front of boards of corporations, flying a plane, negotiating national treaties, leading staffs in the hundreds through a recession.
Could it possibly be that the mass exodus is occurring for reasons other than "stress?" Because most of the complaints seem like normal expectations of those with jobs.
I’m the PP. You’re welcome to join me at work for a week. I think you’ll have more respect for what teachers do when you actually see it. It’s high stress with no breaks. It’s 60+ hour weeks (every week). It’s impossible demands. It’s the reason why 2/3rds of my department has quit in recent years and why we have lost 4 teachers during the year this year.
I came from a corporate setting. My teaching job is (easily) 3X harder than my old job.
OP, here’s another reason to discourage a child from going into teaching. They’ll work their tails off only to be told they have it easy.
Get out of here with these preposterous lies. Teachers are not working 60+ hour weeks. Go to any school and the parking lot is empty at 4pm. Women become teachers precisely because it is less demanding than a private sector job.
I taught before I went into the private sector and my corporate job is much more demanding but that’s fine because it’s much better paid.
Do you think teachers can only work at school? That's a pretty odd belief. I leave at 4:30 so I can pick my kids up at daycare by 5:30. After they go to bed, I lesson plan online. Some nights I also grade which I can also do online. Most nights I work from 9:30-11:30pm. Weekends, I usually set aside 4-5 hrs to lesson plan, grade, write IEP/504 reports, print and laminate materials, etc.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:52
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, I don’t like you. Your subtext is: You’re disrespecting the field of education. Well rounded and well educated elementary school teachers are necessary and worthy. Especially in this time and age of book banning. Shame on you. You are the problem.
For the nth time, you don’t have to go to an elite school to be well educated.
Certainly not to be well educated enough to be a teacher.
I see that. But the OP is insinuating that being a an Elementary school teacher is a waste. Am I right?
Paying for an elite school in order to teach elementary school is a waste of money is what I think OP meant.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:49
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My parents sent me to a big 3 and then I went to a highly regarded college. My mom was a school teacher and I think my parents were very proud that I chose to be a teacher. My hours and days off schedule aligned with my kids who are in the same school system which allowed me to spend a lot of time with them after school and on breaks which they know is good for their grandchildren.
Also, I bet my students and their parents appreciate that elite education.
This is PEAK flex and, also nauseatingly self-satisfied. I'm not sure why PP has such an overinflated ego, but it's unwarrented. I certainly wouldn't care if my kids became teachers, it's a pretty sweet life if you can afford it. But I would hope they aren't entitled suprior pricks like PP. Posters like this one is why DCUM hates teachers.
Lmao
This is the same reaction I had. I don’t think my hours or working conditions are part of a “sweet life.” If it were so sweet, there wouldn’t be such a mass exodus out of the profession right now. Heck, I have crying coworkers because of the job’s stress.
I posted above. No, I don’t support my kids going into teaching. It’s not because I find the job unimportant or lacking respect. (On the contrary, it’s one of the most important jobs one can have.) It’s because the conditions are dreadful right now.
Compared to most other professions - teachers work fewer hours a year. And all the stress I hear about from teachers - you have things that have to get done in a timely way, your clients are demanding (parents and teachers), and the expectations can sometimes seem overwhelming - is just normal work stuff. "Stress" is performing surgery, speaking in front of boards of corporations, flying a plane, negotiating national treaties, leading staffs in the hundreds through a recession.
Could it possibly be that the mass exodus is occurring for reasons other than "stress?" Because most of the complaints seem like normal expectations of those with jobs.
I’m the PP. You’re welcome to join me at work for a week. I think you’ll have more respect for what teachers do when you actually see it. It’s high stress with no breaks. It’s 60+ hour weeks (every week). It’s impossible demands. It’s the reason why 2/3rds of my department has quit in recent years and why we have lost 4 teachers during the year this year.
I came from a corporate setting. My teaching job is (easily) 3X harder than my old job.
OP, here’s another reason to discourage a child from going into teaching. They’ll work their tails off only to be told they have it easy.
Get out of here with these preposterous lies. Teachers are not working 60+ hour weeks. Go to any school and the parking lot is empty at 4pm. Women become teachers precisely because it is less demanding than a private sector job.
I taught before I went into the private sector and my corporate job is much more demanding but that’s fine because it’s much better paid.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:45
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, I don’t like you. Your subtext is: You’re disrespecting the field of education. Well rounded and well educated elementary school teachers are necessary and worthy. Especially in this time and age of book banning. Shame on you. You are the problem.
For the nth time, you don’t have to go to an elite school to be well educated.
Certainly not to be well educated enough to be a teacher.
I see that. But the OP is insinuating that being a an Elementary school teacher is a waste. Am I right?
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:42
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:OP, I don’t like you. Your subtext is: You’re disrespecting the field of education. Well rounded and well educated elementary school teachers are necessary and worthy. Especially in this time and age of book banning. Shame on you. You are the problem.
For the nth time, you don’t have to go to an elite school to be well educated.
Certainly not to be well educated enough to be a teacher.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:40
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
OP, I don’t like you. Your subtext is: You’re disrespecting the field of education. Well rounded and well educated elementary school teachers are necessary and worthy. Especially in this time and age of book banning. Shame on you. You are the problem.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:16
Subject: Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Newsflash: at least in the DMV, “city” teachers do not make less than suburban teachers. They make more. Oh, and they make more than private school teachers too.
I make significantly more as a teacher in Baltimore City than I did when I worked in the county. Right now, I'd take a $20k pay cut to go back to the county.
Anonymous
02/11/2023 15:14
Subject: Re:Be Honest: Would You Be Happy If You Paid Full-Price For an Elite School and Your Child Became an
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our elementary school has an Ivy League graduate teaching 4th grade. She is SO GOOD.
Yeah, but I bet she’d be just as good with a state school degree. Great teachers aren’t made, they are born.
Such BS. I was not interested in teaching at all. I was going to go to law school. I ended up going into teaching for various practical reasons. I found it a hard road but eventually through a lot of trial and error, I became a great teacher. A lot of teachers end up quitting within the first few years. They are good teachers but they don't have the perseverance that you need to stay in the job.