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Anonymous wrote:It is going to take something truly terrible to get MCPS to ban phones. Something involving major lawsuits.

This was the 1st generation that had to grow up with the possibility of kids having cell phones/social media. We've done an abysmal job of managing it. We should have demanded parental features (that kids can't by pass) on all phones so phones could be set to "call only" mode during school hours, at least. The school districts won't champion this, only the phone manufacturers can.

Man, I definitely like that idea. And you're so right, we definitely let them get away with everything and handed these unlocked devices to our kids without a second thought.

Don't need the phone companies. I posted up thread. We need phone pouches.

https://aleteia.org/2022/09/26/the-15-gadget-thats-eliminating-cell-phone-use-at-schools-and-concerts/

Some schools have already started using them.

I would be fine with my kid never bringing a phone to school. But for those always worried about the what if's....

Every iPhone has screen time and parent lock. My kid's phone is set to being allowed a few learning apps, the weather app, and to iMessages to 4 people (her two parents, grandparent, and sister) from 8am to 3pm. So in a severe emergency (school shooting, incident, assault, etc...) she can still contact me. But all web browsers and other apps are completely locked down. She does have unlimited phone call use but since no one really uses that, I consider it an emergency.

Anyway, there is a way any parents with iPhone products can do that. I am not sure about androids. But it needs to start being a school requirement that screen time if off during school hours. We are letting our kids down

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing about these fights, and then, seeing sequence after sequence after sequence of them at various schools is shocking. Yes, you know these happen, they are unfortunately common. But exposing them like this is controversial, but also important to see.

Agree. Glad to see these videos so that parents can understand how stressful the school environment might be.

But there was 4 girls who jumped another girl in a school in NJ early this week and the video was sent everywhere and the 14yr old girl who was jumped was made fun of and bullied. She committed suicide 2 days later. So honestly, I am not a fan of the people who keep sending pictures of girls passed out in BCC bathrooms or anyone of these fights at these schools. Not to mention the 18yr old having sex with the 14yr old on Facebook Live at RM a few years ago.

I am 100% against phones being allowed in school for these reasons and the terrible nature of social media and not keeping kids focused on school. It has gotten out of hand.

The kid who took the picture of the 2 girls passed out in BCC and then sent it around on social media should be expelled. There were some parents so concerned why aren't we getting info and hardly anyone cared these girls are in so deep and need so much help that they resorted to drinking or drugs 7am on a school day. They deserve privacy and healing. Not their bodies plastered all over the school and social media. That entire day I was like "how are we living in a world where immediate gratification has take over respect, privacy, and common decency" Our brains are losing all lack of empathy and emotion with screens.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T SEE THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THESE FIGHTS AND THEM BEING RECORDED AND DISTRIBUTED, WATCH THIS VIDEO



Those posters don't seem to understand how this generation works. Because we have raised them with technology and because our values as a society have eroded, they view everything as content. Beating someone up and recording it is "funny." Humiliating your peers to the point that they break down mentally is powerful. And because they know there are no SERIOUS consequences for fighting, bullying, and other mischief at school, they feel entitled and empowered to do it.

Meanwhile, other kids are walking around traumatized or in the case of this NJ teen girl, they're devastated to the point that they kill themselves. Shame on us as adults for allowing this to be the status quo. Shame on school leaders for being lax when it comes to this stuff, which makes the victims feel like no one cares about their well-being and safety! When will we wake up?

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Anonymous wrote:It is going to take something truly terrible to get MCPS to ban phones. Something involving major lawsuits.

This was the 1st generation that had to grow up with the possibility of kids having cell phones/social media. We've done an abysmal job of managing it. We should have demanded parental features (that kids can't by pass) on all phones so phones could be set to "call only" mode during school hours, at least. The school districts won't champion this, only the phone manufacturers can.

Man, I definitely like that idea. And you're so right, we definitely let them get away with everything and handed these unlocked devices to our kids without a second thought.

Don't need the phone companies. I posted up thread. We need phone pouches.

https://aleteia.org/2022/09/26/the-15-gadget-thats-eliminating-cell-phone-use-at-schools-and-concerts/

Some schools have already started using them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is going to take something truly terrible to get MCPS to ban phones. Something involving major lawsuits.

This was the 1st generation that had to grow up with the possibility of kids having cell phones/social media. We've done an abysmal job of managing it. We should have demanded parental features (that kids can't by pass) on all phones so phones could be set to "call only" mode during school hours, at least. The school districts won't champion this, only the phone manufacturers can.

Man, I definitely like that idea. And you're so right, we definitely let them get away with everything and handed these unlocked devices to our kids without a second thought.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is a world of difference between a "bad kid" and a "mentally ill" kid. One can mature and grow out of bad behaviors. The other needs a lifetime of support.

I am thinking of some bad kids from my high school and where they are now. Some went to jail as expected. Others got themselves killed. But the majority of them have gone on to completely normal lives

Why should minor kids have to deal with violence in schools? Why do we accept such a horrible work environment for our kids? Would you like to be in a workplace that expects you to be around violence all day? You, an adult, don't think it's right, but you think it's fine for kids to be around that all day?

WTF.

Let's speak plainly then. I want the actually, truly, deeply mentally ill kids to get the treatment they need. And I want the bad kids to mature and grow up to be normal adults.

And I don't want my kid to enter adulthood having never learned how to deal with mean and/or volatile people. Because in the workplace, or just walking down the street, when they come across someone in a pique of rage they won't be able to go tell the hall monitor.

As someone who has actually lived the experience of growing up with violent and broken peers, let me dispel any notion that you may have about “learning to deal with mean/volatile people”. You don’t. You avoid them. The only way to “deal” with violent peers is to become more violent yourself and then you start having problems with “normal” society where those actions are criminal and not allowed.

Please join the actual real world. Our diplomats and soldiers deal with violent peers around the world every day. Do you have any idea how many wars don't start because there are people out there doing everything except avoid them?

DP.. FFS.. we're talking about kids. No soldiers and politicians. And actually, politicians aren't around violence everyday unless they are Rs joining in 1/6 insurrection.

Anonymous wrote:It is going to take something truly terrible to get MCPS to ban phones. Something involving major lawsuits.

This was the 1st generation that had to grow up with the possibility of kids having cell phones/social media. We've done an abysmal job of managing it. We should have demanded parental features (that kids can't by pass) on all phones so phones could be set to "call only" mode during school hours, at least. The school districts won't champion this, only the phone manufacturers can.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is a world of difference between a "bad kid" and a "mentally ill" kid. One can mature and grow out of bad behaviors. The other needs a lifetime of support.

I am thinking of some bad kids from my high school and where they are now. Some went to jail as expected. Others got themselves killed. But the majority of them have gone on to completely normal lives

Why should minor kids have to deal with violence in schools? Why do we accept such a horrible work environment for our kids? Would you like to be in a workplace that expects you to be around violence all day? You, an adult, don't think it's right, but you think it's fine for kids to be around that all day?

WTF.

Let's speak plainly then. I want the actually, truly, deeply mentally ill kids to get the treatment they need. And I want the bad kids to mature and grow up to be normal adults.

And I don't want my kid to enter adulthood having never learned how to deal with mean and/or volatile people. Because in the workplace, or just walking down the street, when they come across someone in a pique of rage they won't be able to go tell the hall monitor.

As someone who has actually lived the experience of growing up with violent and broken peers, let me dispel any notion that you may have about “learning to deal with mean/volatile people”. You don’t. You avoid them. The only way to “deal” with violent peers is to become more violent yourself and then you start having problems with “normal” society where those actions are criminal and not allowed.

Please join the actual real world. Our diplomats and soldiers deal with violent peers around the world every day. Do you have any idea how many wars don't start because there are people out there doing everything except avoid them?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is a world of difference between a "bad kid" and a "mentally ill" kid. One can mature and grow out of bad behaviors. The other needs a lifetime of support.

I am thinking of some bad kids from my high school and where they are now. Some went to jail as expected. Others got themselves killed. But the majority of them have gone on to completely normal lives

Why should minor kids have to deal with violence in schools? Why do we accept such a horrible work environment for our kids? Would you like to be in a workplace that expects you to be around violence all day? You, an adult, don't think it's right, but you think it's fine for kids to be around that all day?

WTF.

Let's speak plainly then. I want the actually, truly, deeply mentally ill kids to get the treatment they need. And I want the bad kids to mature and grow up to be normal adults.

And I don't want my kid to enter adulthood having never learned how to deal with mean and/or volatile people. Because in the workplace, or just walking down the street, when they come across someone in a pique of rage they won't be able to go tell the hall monitor.

As someone who has actually lived the experience of growing up with violent and broken peers, let me dispel any notion that you may have about “learning to deal with mean/volatile people”. You don’t. You avoid them. The only way to “deal” with violent peers is to become more violent yourself and then you start having problems with “normal” society where those actions are criminal and not allowed.

Thank you.

I'm completely stunned that some DCUM posters are advocating that being consistently exposed to violent, volatile and dysfunctional people is somehow positive child development? Are you people insane?

MCPS BoE thinks that it helps for diversity purposes. We all must learn how to get along with everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is a world of difference between a "bad kid" and a "mentally ill" kid. One can mature and grow out of bad behaviors. The other needs a lifetime of support.

I am thinking of some bad kids from my high school and where they are now. Some went to jail as expected. Others got themselves killed. But the majority of them have gone on to completely normal lives

Why should minor kids have to deal with violence in schools? Why do we accept such a horrible work environment for our kids? Would you like to be in a workplace that expects you to be around violence all day? You, an adult, don't think it's right, but you think it's fine for kids to be around that all day?

WTF.

Let's speak plainly then. I want the actually, truly, deeply mentally ill kids to get the treatment they need. And I want the bad kids to mature and grow up to be normal adults.

And I don't want my kid to enter adulthood having never learned how to deal with mean and/or volatile people. Because in the workplace, or just walking down the street, when they come across someone in a pique of rage they won't be able to go tell the hall monitor.

As someone who has actually lived the experience of growing up with violent and broken peers, let me dispel any notion that you may have about “learning to deal with mean/volatile people”. You don’t. You avoid them. The only way to “deal” with violent peers is to become more violent yourself and then you start having problems with “normal” society where those actions are criminal and not allowed.

Thank you.

I'm completely stunned that some DCUM posters are advocating that being consistently exposed to violent, volatile and dysfunctional people is somehow positive child development? Are you people insane?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is a world of difference between a "bad kid" and a "mentally ill" kid. One can mature and grow out of bad behaviors. The other needs a lifetime of support.

I am thinking of some bad kids from my high school and where they are now. Some went to jail as expected. Others got themselves killed. But the majority of them have gone on to completely normal lives

Why should minor kids have to deal with violence in schools? Why do we accept such a horrible work environment for our kids? Would you like to be in a workplace that expects you to be around violence all day? You, an adult, don't think it's right, but you think it's fine for kids to be around that all day?

WTF.

Let's speak plainly then. I want the actually, truly, deeply mentally ill kids to get the treatment they need. And I want the bad kids to mature and grow up to be normal adults.

And I don't want my kid to enter adulthood having never learned how to deal with mean and/or volatile people. Because in the workplace, or just walking down the street, when they come across someone in a pique of rage they won't be able to go tell the hall monitor.

As someone who has actually lived the experience of growing up with violent and broken peers, let me dispel any notion that you may have about “learning to deal with mean/volatile people”. You don’t. You avoid them. The only way to “deal” with violent peers is to become more violent yourself and then you start having problems with “normal” society where those actions are criminal and not allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hearing about these fights, and then, seeing sequence after sequence after sequence of them at various schools is shocking. Yes, you know these happen, they are unfortunately common. But exposing them like this is controversial, but also important to see.

Agree. Glad to see these videos so that parents can understand how stressful the school environment might be.

But there was 4 girls who jumped another girl in a school in NJ early this week and the video was sent everywhere and the 14yr old girl who was jumped was made fun of and bullied. She committed suicide 2 days later. So honestly, I am not a fan of the people who keep sending pictures of girls passed out in BCC bathrooms or anyone of these fights at these schools. Not to mention the 18yr old having sex with the 14yr old on Facebook Live at RM a few years ago.

I am 100% against phones being allowed in school for these reasons and the terrible nature of social media and not keeping kids focused on school. It has gotten out of hand.

I just read about that news story. So heart breaking.

I have a 14 yr old DD at RM. ITA about cell phone use in school. Some HS now use those cell phone pouches where the kids cannot access their phone unless a teacher/admin unlocks the pouch. I wish MCPS would spend the money on things like that instead of things like the anti-racist audit which does nothing to address urgent issues or the achievement gap. Get the cell phones out of kids hands during the school day.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing about these fights, and then, seeing sequence after sequence after sequence of them at various schools is shocking. Yes, you know these happen, they are unfortunately common. But exposing them like this is controversial, but also important to see.

Agree. Glad to see these videos so that parents can understand how stressful the school environment might be.

But there was 4 girls who jumped another girl in a school in NJ early this week and the video was sent everywhere and the 14yr old girl who was jumped was made fun of and bullied. She committed suicide 2 days later. So honestly, I am not a fan of the people who keep sending pictures of girls passed out in BCC bathrooms or anyone of these fights at these schools. Not to mention the 18yr old having sex with the 14yr old on Facebook Live at RM a few years ago.

I am 100% against phones being allowed in school for these reasons and the terrible nature of social media and not keeping kids focused on school. It has gotten out of hand.

I was not aware of that, what a tragedy. I would also support no phones for a variety of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Involving parents---- this is no surprise to me. Leaving a basketball game against paint branch manybyears ago the paint branch parents were lined up on the way to the parking lot heckling our students.

You can't be surprised that kids are doing in the school what parents are doing at home.

Which does raise the question of what Sherwood parents are doing at home.
https://moco360.media/2022/01/10/mcps-investigating-racist-remarks-made-during-sherwood-einstein-basketball-game/

Paint Branch and Sherwood kids and parents are the worst. For different reasons. PB: violence and anger is part of the culture. Sherwood: douchebags living vicariously through their kids

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is a world of difference between a "bad kid" and a "mentally ill" kid. One can mature and grow out of bad behaviors. The other needs a lifetime of support.

I am thinking of some bad kids from my high school and where they are now. Some went to jail as expected. Others got themselves killed. But the majority of them have gone on to completely normal lives

Why should minor kids have to deal with violence in schools? Why do we accept such a horrible work environment for our kids? Would you like to be in a workplace that expects you to be around violence all day? You, an adult, don't think it's right, but you think it's fine for kids to be around that all day?

WTF.

Let's speak plainly then. I want the actually, truly, deeply mentally ill kids to get the treatment they need. And I want the bad kids to mature and grow up to be normal adults.

And I don't want my kid to enter adulthood having never learned how to deal with mean and/or volatile people. Because in the workplace, or just walking down the street, when they come across someone in a pique of rage they won't be able to go tell the hall monitor.

I mean this kindly but how does going to a school with violent kids teach a kid to deal with mean people?