Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:38
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Replacing the stove with a gas fireplace insert should not cost $15k.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:37
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
Why would you "leave be" a furnace with a cracked pipe that can leak carbon monoxide? You keep changing your story, which makes the whole tale smell quite a bit.
I assumed I can just change the pipe. We did something similar on our first house, just changed the pipe that was running at the wrong angle, and left the furnace be.
Then why did you say in your first post that you needed to replace the furnace as part of the inspection/negotiation?
Inspector report recommended replacing the furnace and noted also a faulty pipe leading from the furnace. Of course my preference is to replace both, but that is where negotiations come in.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:36
Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not Bait and Switch.
Agree. OP, you’re just flat wrong. There is no obligation on any seller’s part to fix anything. Your remedy is to terminate the contract if it’s not worth it to you. They can come back with things they’re willing to do but that’s a negotiation like anything else. If they either think you’ll cave, or they think they can get their price from someone else, there is no reason for them to negotiate.
I have never fixed anything in a sale other than a “difficult” property where I didn’t have a better alternative. I remember one home where the buyer tried to present 6 figures worth of “repairs” and sounded shocked, shocked that I told them they could just walk away instead.
They came back with zero.
I am prepared to walk.
You should. If the price you agreed is basically market even with the identified issues, you lose. If the house is overpriced via the market with the identified issues, they lose. But in neither event can you force them to do anything or (frankly) did you have a reasonable expectation of it.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:34
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
Why would you "leave be" a furnace with a cracked pipe that can leak carbon monoxide? You keep changing your story, which makes the whole tale smell quite a bit.
I assumed I can just change the pipe. We did something similar on our first house, just changed the pipe that was running at the wrong angle, and left the furnace be.
Then why did you say in your first post that you needed to replace the furnace as part of the inspection/negotiation?
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:34
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
This doesn't make sense. First, if they had a woodburning fireplace before, the existing chimney should have been fine dimensionally to accommodate a woodburning stove. Second, all chimneys have liners, it's just a matter of what they're made of and the condition of them. Third, chimneys don't carry sparks away from the house, they carry hot air/smoke out of the house. If sparks are coming from the chimney, that means there is debris in the chimney that needs to be cleaned out.
Apparently wood burning stoves need a longer chimney. It was news to me as well
Generally they do not. Does your inspector also do repair work?
No, it was some third party contractor that examined the chimney.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:31
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
This doesn't make sense. First, if they had a woodburning fireplace before, the existing chimney should have been fine dimensionally to accommodate a woodburning stove. Second, all chimneys have liners, it's just a matter of what they're made of and the condition of them. Third, chimneys don't carry sparks away from the house, they carry hot air/smoke out of the house. If sparks are coming from the chimney, that means there is debris in the chimney that needs to be cleaned out.
Apparently wood burning stoves need a longer chimney. It was news to me as well
Generally they do not. Does your inspector also do repair work?
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:30
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
Why would you "leave be" a furnace with a cracked pipe that can leak carbon monoxide? You keep changing your story, which makes the whole tale smell quite a bit.
I assumed I can just change the pipe. We did something similar on our first house, just changed the pipe that was running at the wrong angle, and left the furnace be.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:28
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
This doesn't make sense. First, if they had a woodburning fireplace before, the existing chimney should have been fine dimensionally to accommodate a woodburning stove. Second, all chimneys have liners, it's just a matter of what they're made of and the condition of them. Third, chimneys don't carry sparks away from the house, they carry hot air/smoke out of the house. If sparks are coming from the chimney, that means there is debris in the chimney that needs to be cleaned out.
Apparently wood burning stoves need a longer chimney. It was news to me as well
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:27
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
Why would you "leave be" a furnace with a cracked pipe that can leak carbon monoxide? You keep changing your story, which makes the whole tale smell quite a bit.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:23
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much of that $15k was attributed to each item in the estimate? The driveway and furnace are not reasonable asks, so if most of the estimate are for those two line items I can see why they might have felt it would be pointless to negotiate.
Chimney inspection alone is 15k.
This is kind of a self made problem actually. The sellers replaced a regular fireplace with a wood burning stove. Apparently it needs a longer chimney to take the hot sparks away from the house, not just a liner. So the way to address it cheap(er) is to seal the chimney and replace the wood burning stove with a gas fireplace. It is dangerous to use as is
Everything else is a cherry on top and can be adequately addressed for about 2-3k, assuming we leave the furnace be
This doesn't make sense. First, if they had a woodburning fireplace before, the existing chimney should have been fine dimensionally to accommodate a woodburning stove. Second, all chimneys have liners, it's just a matter of what they're made of and the condition of them. Third, chimneys don't carry sparks away from the house, they carry hot air/smoke out of the house. If sparks are coming from the chimney, that means there is debris in the chimney that needs to be cleaned out.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:06
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So the inspector said there is no way to make the fireplace code compliant other than to remove the stove and convert to gas? That seems u likely since the house presumably was built to code with the original fireplace.
There is a way, just expensive.
What is the way? Also, did the inspector give you the estimate or did you get a second opinion on the chimney with the estimate?
I am no chimney expert, but have owned multiple older homes with chimneys that needed various kinds of repairs, maintenance, and what you’re describing (particularly at that price point) doesn’t really make sense to me.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:04
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:So the inspector said there is no way to make the fireplace code compliant other than to remove the stove and convert to gas? That seems u likely since the house presumably was built to code with the original fireplace.
There is a way, just expensive.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 13:01
Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
So the inspector said there is no way to make the fireplace code compliant other than to remove the stove and convert to gas? That seems u likely since the house presumably was built to code with the original fireplace.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 12:50
Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Cap the fireplace and remove woodburning stove.
That is the plan if the deal stands.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 12:45
Subject: De facto "as is"
Cap the fireplace and remove woodburning stove.