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Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Actually no. They are surpassing benchmark for literacy and are closing in on the math benchmark. They are catching up on the pandemic loss.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/23/montomgery-county-student-test-scores/

I wish this had it's own thread because the data is super interesting. Things that stuck out to me included:

* It looks like younger kids are doing much better than older kids, so it's worth looking at the data separately. In younger grades, students not only met the targets in both math and reading, but they also outpaced the scores from a year ago. That's really good.

* But we also have to remember that this is not testing the same kids year-over-year. It's the next generation of 2nd, 8th, and 11th graders. So - it looks like the scores were lowest for kids who were in 2nd, 8th, and 11th in the 2020-21 school year. Those kids had the previous year disrupted, then were mostly home the year that they were tested. So, for the 2nd graders, that meant 1st grade was disrupted and 2nd was mostly at home. Then they took this test. The gains were in the kids who were in 2nd, 8th, and 11th, during the 2021-22 school year. So, that group of second graders had kindergarten disrupted, had most of 1st grade virtually, but were back in the classroom for all of 2nd before taking the test. That's very good, and not entirely surprising.

* The other thing that I found interesting is the absolutely massive swings between kids getting As and kids able to pass the external exams. I'm not sure what else to call that but grade inflation.

More proof that MS instruction is just crap. Too much focus on social/emotional learning and not enough on academics.

Math scores for 8th and 11th graders were ABYSMAL, particular for 8th graders. Scores were down across the board.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/CJJHER48187D/$file/EOL%20EOY%20Perform%20Data%20Rpt%20220922%20PPT.pdf

Do you think MCPS will change their approach to MS instruction after seeing proof that MS instruction is sorely lacking? Probably not. They will double down on social/emotional learning claiming that without it the students can't learn. Well, you've had a year of this crap, and clearly, they are not learning.

And I love the key takeaways:

The data said... Math assessments were not aligned to pacing guide instruction.

So, in collaboration with leaders and teachers, we will.. Develop newly aligned assessments using Performance Matters item bank Key Data Systems.

ie.. the kids aren't learning the material, so let's lower the bar and change our assessment to make the numbers look better.

The data said... Students did not learn to the full depth of the standards.

So, instead of making the kids practice math more let's support the teachers to "deeply" understand the material through professional learning, which costs more money. A cheap way to make kids do better in math would be to make them practice it more. But that would be racist, or something.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Actually no. They are surpassing benchmark for literacy and are closing in on the math benchmark. They are catching up on the pandemic loss.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/23/montomgery-county-student-test-scores/

From WTOP, in case one cannot read it from the post. This report has been out since September but never discussed here because it doesn't fit DCUM narrative.
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/09/montgomery-co-schools-exceed-literacy-expectations-but-miss-target-for-math/

So, is there data showing that scores have improved since September? What is your point?

DP.. the point is that math instruction isn't up to par, probably because they don't give out enough HW for the kids to review. Math requires practice. They have about 30min in class to learn the material *and* do the classwork. That's not enough time. They need more math HW. Even 20min most days would help. Reading also requires practice, but kids get that practice in other classes like social studies/history, even science. They aren't getting enough math practice.

Academic data presented Thursday to the county’s board of education showed that roughly 72% of students met literacy standards, exceeding Montgomery County Public Schools’ target of 66%.

But for math, 61% of students met the county’s math standards, just short of its goal of 64%.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Actually no. They are surpassing benchmark for literacy and are closing in on the math benchmark. They are catching up on the pandemic loss.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/23/montomgery-county-student-test-scores/

From WTOP, in case one cannot read it from the post. This report has been out since September but never discussed here because it doesn't fit DCUM narrative.
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/09/montgomery-co-schools-exceed-literacy-expectations-but-miss-target-for-math/

So, is there data showing that scores have improved since September? What is your point?

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the demographics, they don't provide enough interventions for K-1st grade students struggling with reading and the basics. They let the kids fail and only superficially help in later ES when its to late.

They need to bring back more structure, text books, teach the basics in terms of spelling, grammar, and math facts and have accountability with both the teachers and students. My kids have read one book this entire school year. Most school years they read two books at best. It's absurd. They do work a lot with writing skills, but that doesn't help kids struggling with the basics.

They need to get rid of all the fluff in the curriculum, the group projects, the constant group discussion and the repeated health education and other classes that teach the same stuff over and over again.

MCPS needs to prepare students to succeed in the 20th century workforce!

If kids cannot read and do basic math, then they aren't prepared for the 20th century. You need to start with the basics first especially in ES. The curriculum is horrible for kids like mine. Thank goodness for the free tutoring.

1923 wants its century back! Guess we are failing in social studies too… (2023 = 21st century)

You're missing the point of the previous poster, which was that MoCo students are so terrible that they wouldn't even be ready for the 20th century.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Actually no. They are surpassing benchmark for literacy and are closing in on the math benchmark. They are catching up on the pandemic loss.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/23/montomgery-county-student-test-scores/

From WTOP, in case one cannot read it from the post. This report has been out since September but never discussed here because it doesn't fit DCUM narrative.
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/09/montgomery-co-schools-exceed-literacy-expectations-but-miss-target-for-math/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Actually no. They are surpassing benchmark for literacy and are closing in on the math benchmark. They are catching up on the pandemic loss.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/23/montomgery-county-student-test-scores/

From WTOP, in case one cannot read it from the post. This report has been out since September but never discussed here because it doesn't fit DCUM narrative.
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/09/montgomery-co-schools-exceed-literacy-expectations-but-miss-target-for-math/

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Anonymous wrote:It wouldn't be a new year in DCUM land if private shools parents and NoVa folks didn't start with their annual MCPS bash-fest.

Keep your head in the sand. One day your kid will hate you for giving them a terrible education.

So you don't have kids in MCPS, why are you posting here?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Actually no. They are surpassing benchmark for literacy and are closing in on the math benchmark. They are catching up on the pandemic loss.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/23/montomgery-county-student-test-scores/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the demographics, they don't provide enough interventions for K-1st grade students struggling with reading and the basics. They let the kids fail and only superficially help in later ES when its to late.

They need to bring back more structure, text books, teach the basics in terms of spelling, grammar, and math facts and have accountability with both the teachers and students. My kids have read one book this entire school year. Most school years they read two books at best. It's absurd. They do work a lot with writing skills, but that doesn't help kids struggling with the basics.

They need to get rid of all the fluff in the curriculum, the group projects, the constant group discussion and the repeated health education and other classes that teach the same stuff over and over again.

MCPS needs to prepare students to succeed in the 20th century workforce!

If kids cannot read and do basic math, then they aren't prepared for the 20th century. You need to start with the basics first especially in ES. The curriculum is horrible for kids like mine. Thank goodness for the free tutoring.

1923 wants its century back! Guess we are failing in social studies too… (2023 = 21st century)

Anonymous wrote:It wouldn't be a new year in DCUM land if private shools parents and NoVa folks didn't start with their annual MCPS bash-fest.

Keep your head in the sand. One day your kid will hate you for giving them a terrible education.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Wait, but scores across the country dropped that year. You can't say that MCPS is specifically failing and then cite statistics that are at least partially the result of an unprecendented international crisis.

Then this has nothing to do with covid/virtual learning and its the curriculum, teaching style and lack of supports.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Wait, but scores across the country dropped that year. You can't say that MCPS is specifically failing and then cite statistics that are at least partially the result of an unprecendented international crisis.

Wait I thought we were telling people that learning loss isn't real and doesn't matter.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.

Wait, but scores across the country dropped that year. You can't say that MCPS is specifically failing and then cite statistics that are at least partially the result of an unprecendented international crisis.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still the best public school system in the nation and significantly stronger than top area privates in STEM

Not even close on either statement. But they pay you to write garbage. Well done!

DP
No private school in the area can even come close to MCPS when it comes to STEM. That's a fact.
MCPS is still the best large school system in the nation.

Data from MCPS shows dramatic drops in elementary school students’ math and English test scores.

Literacy readiness dropped 35% for second graders from the 2018-2019 to 2020-2021 schools years, the data shows. Math readiness for fifth graders was down 25%.

Literacy was down for Black second graders by 38%. Hispanic second graders had a 46% drop.