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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.

Yup again below is overall for major colleges in Boston area,

1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K



and also major matters more,

Harvard CS: $160,000 > GMU CS: $83,185 > Harvard English: $43,845 > GMU English: $28,000

And again, it's useless information b/c it's based on averages. You need to compare students with the same numbers and level of ambition in order to have anything of value.

Do you even understand yourself what you are trying to say??????

Yes. Trying to compare one college's ability to educate to another's ability to educate based on the average salary of their graduates is pointless. Showing an average salary compares all students at one college to all at another, but everyone knows the average student at GMU is not as intellectually capable as the average student at Harvard and shouldn't be expected to earn as much. The only way to compare one school to another is to compare what they're capable of doing with the same level of ability and ambition, and the only people who have done this with anything approaching the scientific method (Kruger and Dale) have found that it's the individual that matters, not the university.

No, the data and market says GMU CS >> Harvard English
The market decides who's capable of what and willing to pay that much.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.

Yup again below is overall for major colleges in Boston area,

1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K



and also major matters more,

Harvard CS: $160,000 > GMU CS: $83,185 > Harvard English: $43,845 > GMU English: $28,000

And again, it's useless information b/c it's based on averages. You need to compare students with the same numbers and level of ambition in order to have anything of value.

Do you even understand yourself what you are trying to say??????

Yes. Trying to compare one college's ability to educate to another's ability to educate based on the average salary of their graduates is pointless. Showing an average salary compares all students at one college to all at another, but everyone knows the average student at GMU is not as intellectually capable as the average student at Harvard and shouldn't be expected to earn as much. The only way to compare one school to another is to compare what they're capable of doing with the same level of ability and ambition, and the only people who have done this with anything approaching the scientific method (Kruger and Dale) have found that it's the individual that matters, not the university.

No, the data and market says GMU CS >> Harvard English
The market decides who's capable of what and willing to pay that much.

+1

Humanities are for rich people. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Attending and graduating from an Ivy League school generates opportunities. Whether or not one takes advantage of those opportunities is an individual matter, not a criticism of Ivy League schools.

Attending any college generates opportunities. Every college has alumni networks.

So all colleges are the same with respect to job & career opportunities ?

Major matters much more

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3

Harvard English: $43845

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?232186-George-Mason-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3

GMU CS: $83185

Majors matter and school matters
Harvard CS: $163896

School doesn't matter as much as major

Major schools in Boston area

1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K

Its below BC and not significantly higher than NEU

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.

Yup again below is overall for major colleges in Boston area,

1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K



and also major matters more,

Harvard CS: $160,000 > GMU CS: $83,185 > Harvard English: $43,845 > GMU English: $28,000

And again, it's useless information b/c it's based on averages. You need to compare students with the same numbers and level of ambition in order to have anything of value.

Do you even understand yourself what you are trying to say??????

Yes. Trying to compare one college's ability to educate to another's ability to educate based on the average salary of their graduates is pointless. Showing an average salary compares all students at one college to all at another, but everyone knows the average student at GMU is not as intellectually capable as the average student at Harvard and shouldn't be expected to earn as much. The only way to compare one school to another is to compare what they're capable of doing with the same level of ability and ambition, and the only people who have done this with anything approaching the scientific method (Kruger and Dale) have found that it's the individual that matters, not the university.

No, the data and market says GMU CS >> Harvard English
The market decides who's capable of what and willing to pay that much.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.

Yup again below is overall for major colleges in Boston area,

1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K



and also major matters more,

Harvard CS: $160,000 > GMU CS: $83,185 > Harvard English: $43,845 > GMU English: $28,000

And again, it's useless information b/c it's based on averages. You need to compare students with the same numbers and level of ambition in order to have anything of value.

Do you even understand yourself what you are trying to say??????

Yes. Trying to compare one college's ability to educate to another's ability to educate based on the average salary of their graduates is pointless. Showing an average salary compares all students at one college to all at another, but everyone knows the average student at GMU is not as intellectually capable as the average student at Harvard and shouldn't be expected to earn as much. The only way to compare one school to another is to compare what they're capable of doing with the same level of ability and ambition, and the only people who have done this with anything approaching the scientific method (Kruger and Dale) have found that it's the individual that matters, not the university.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.

Yup again below is overall for major colleges in Boston area,

1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K



and also major matters more,

Harvard CS: $160,000 > GMU CS: $83,185 > Harvard English: $43,845 > GMU English: $28,000

And again, it's useless information b/c it's based on averages. You need to compare students with the same numbers and level of ambition in order to have anything of value.

Do you even understand yourself what you are trying to say??????

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Anonymous wrote:By definition, Harvard and Yale are no longer top universities.

Both opted to withdraw from the USNWR ratings.

No they don't have balls to do that.
That was only for law schools as I know

Meh.

So their law schools are no longer Top 50. Or even Top 100.

Has USNWR decided whether they will consider these schools since they didn’t submit? People are going to question the value do the list without them and I have not seen what USNWR said.

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Anonymous wrote:By definition, Harvard and Yale are no longer top universities.

Both opted to withdraw from the USNWR ratings.

No they don't have balls to do that.
That was only for law schools as I know

Meh.

So their law schools are no longer Top 50. Or even Top 100.

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Anonymous wrote:By definition, Harvard and Yale are no longer top universities.

Both opted to withdraw from the USNWR ratings.

No they don't have balls to do that.
That was only for law schools as I know

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Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.

For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections

A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.

I went to Harvard as a kid of immigrant parents, generic UMC but not rich. Totally disagree that all the rich kids just stick together or whatever. Everyone lives in the dorms, everyone is on the unlimited meal plan etc. Freshman roommate assignments are given by the school. There's a range of people and friends/activities felt really mixed.