Anonymous
11/21/2022 11:07
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is not genetic.
30 years ago, I worked for the research department of JHU’s CTY.
We identified gifted and talented kids by, in 7th grade, giving them the SAT (yes, they took the full SAT in 7th grade).
Kids scoring above 930 combined were qualified for our accelerated summer courses. Of the talented kids we identified:
1/3 of the kids were Asian; another 1/3rd self-identified as Jewish. The remaining 1/3rd were a mix of every remaining group.
That tells you the deciding factor is: culture.
That doesn't tell me what the deciding factor is.
Perhaps you left out some data from the research, but what I see here doesn't disprove the idea that Asians and Jews are more intelligent genetically.
It looks like you are assuming the difference is culture to conclude culture is the deciding factor.
I am the person to whom you responded.
I left out genetic, because that premise is unacceptable, and ultimately incongruent with our American values.
Even researching that possibility has lead humanity to a very ugly place, and it could do so again.
I advise you to “not go there.”
If you insist on pursuing your premise, you could take another look at the book “The Bell Curve,” and the research it is based upon. But again, consider the cataclysmic consequences of your premise.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 10:59
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
So non-Asian parents are slackers? They should have done better?
Are you being deliberately obtuse? It's a cultural thing, not an intelligence thing.
NP- I agree. Generally (of course there are exceptions), Asians are teaching math and reading to their young kids while AA families are focusing on sports and hoping their kid will be the next LeBron.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 08:43
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:I practised immigration law for 29 years dealing with immigration cases mostly from East Asia.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
? wouldn't that apply to most people from other countries, not just from Asia?
LOL you don't get out much
? well, I'm an Asian American, from an immigrant family. DH is a white immigrant. We know lots of other white (and Asian) immigrants. So I think I "get out" a fair bit. Oh, and none of my family members were educated when they immigrated here.
People from other countries don't have the education requirements like Canada does. The difference with Asian countries is there are certain visas from those countries, which can't be named in posts on this forum, that require education. However, beyond that I don't think there are any education requirements.
There are no 'higher' educational requirements for immigrants from East Asia and generally more people come from East Asia using the 'family based immigration' than ' employment based ' immigration and even the ' employment based' immigration is divided into levels of 'skilled worker' with some category requiring bachelor's degree depending on which level of 'skilled worker' program one is applying under and there is also 'unskilled worker' category requiring no college degree or even high school diploma.
Overall, people from East Asia are not subjected to higher/additional educational requirements than immigrants from other areas. Non-immigrant visas (temporary stays) are totally different category and not really applicable to this discussion.
I'm sure you are right, but what are the numbers of applicants vs. those who were given entry into the U.S. for different regions of the world. I think that will show the true picture. That the self selection (knowing the process, etc.) happens before applications are reviewed for new entries into the U.S. not referring to bringing family over. It's not like the lady who used to clean my grandparents' toilets would ever find herself immigrating to the U.S. it's doubtful if she was even literate enough to know where to apply.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 06:13
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
I practised immigration law for 29 years dealing with immigration cases mostly from East Asia.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
? wouldn't that apply to most people from other countries, not just from Asia?
LOL you don't get out much
? well, I'm an Asian American, from an immigrant family. DH is a white immigrant. We know lots of other white (and Asian) immigrants. So I think I "get out" a fair bit. Oh, and none of my family members were educated when they immigrated here.
People from other countries don't have the education requirements like Canada does. The difference with Asian countries is there are certain visas from those countries, which can't be named in posts on this forum, that require education. However, beyond that I don't think there are any education requirements.
There are no 'higher' educational requirements for immigrants from East Asia and generally more people come from East Asia using the 'family based immigration' than ' employment based ' immigration and even the ' employment based' immigration is divided into levels of 'skilled worker' with some category requiring bachelor's degree depending on which level of 'skilled worker' program one is applying under and there is also 'unskilled worker' category requiring no college degree or even high school diploma.
Overall, people from East Asia are not subjected to higher/additional educational requirements than immigrants from other areas. Non-immigrant visas (temporary stays) are totally different category and not really applicable to this discussion.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 23:03
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
? wouldn't that apply to most people from other countries, not just from Asia?
LOL you don't get out much
? well, I'm an Asian American, from an immigrant family. DH is a white immigrant. We know lots of other white (and Asian) immigrants. So I think I "get out" a fair bit. Oh, and none of my family members were educated when they immigrated here.
People from other countries don't have the education requirements like Canada does. The difference with Asian countries is there are certain visas from those countries, which can't be named in posts on this forum, that require education. However, beyond that I don't think there are any education requirements.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 19:20
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
? wouldn't that apply to most people from other countries, not just from Asia?
LOL you don't get out much
? well, I'm an Asian American, from an immigrant family. DH is a white immigrant. We know lots of other white (and Asian) immigrants. So I think I "get out" a fair bit. Oh, and none of my family members were educated when they immigrated here.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 17:59
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
? wouldn't that apply to most people from other countries, not just from Asia?
LOL you don't get out much
Anonymous
11/20/2022 17:31
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
? wouldn't that apply to most people from other countries, not just from Asia?
Anonymous
11/20/2022 14:40
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
+1 You have to be really intelligent or be really well connected to be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. from Asian countries.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 13:15
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
I see what the issue in this country is now. When a parent plays a game that helps the kid learn to count, it's now called "pushing" and "tiger parenting".
If you read to them at home, it's now called "pushing" and "tiger parenting".
Remember back in the day when real American kids counted out of state license plates on long road trips? Were the real American parents pushing their kids?
We are doomed.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 13:07
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Many here argue they're smarter. Let's be honest at least.
Many white immigrants were completely illiterate, including those on the Mayflower. The U.S. immigration system today, however, is stacked against illiterate immigrants. So I don't understand how people scratch their heads about immigrant exceptionalism, and by extension their children and communities.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 12:53
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
The racism is in the framing. Asian families get shamed for it in a way other races don’t.
White kid do well? Good for you. Black kid do well? Amazing!!! Asian kid do well? Must be the work of a tiger mom.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 12:08
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
It’s classic gene-environment-culture covariation. On average (not ALL!), Asians who are in the United States have genetically higher intelligence. On average, they made it to the US on their smarts. Highly intelligent people enjoy learning. They find it easy to learn. Lo and behold, they spend more time on educational pursuits and their kids score higher on tests.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 11:50
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone undertake such a study?
More evidence that the achievement gap starts in the home, not the school system.
Haven't you seen how Asian parents push their kids? No down time. They're having them count billboards while driving down a highway.
It doesn't mean the kids are smarter than other groups. It means the parents push them.
Check your racism. When non Asians ask their kids to count billboards it’s a cute Instagram hack to get their kids to stay occupied and learn! How wonderful! When Asians do it it’s “pushing” and “ tiger parenting.”
+1 this board is eye opening in terms of racism toward Asian Americans
It's racism to point out a fact, that Asians place a huge priority on educational achievement? Please tell me this is not fact, and that I'm a racist for stating this.
Anonymous
11/20/2022 11:19
Subject: Asian kindergarten students more likely to display advanced math, science skills, new study finds
Anonymous wrote:What to do? What to do???
It's easy enroll them at Cuire at age 7. Spend $20k over the next eight years and then claim they're super gifted.