Anonymous
Post 10/03/2022 10:17     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ll acknowledge what I saw growing up in MoCo and attending elementary through high school in the 70s and 80s. Discipline was not racist based on personal knowledge and information and belief at Wheaton, Peary, Rockville, Kennedy, Springbrook, Seneca Valley and BCC. That is not to say that there were not some tacist white kids at such schools but I do believe that MCPS policies were intentionally or unintentionally racist. What’s your evidence that they were? Because you say so based on some days of the percentages of who were suspended?


IWEALTHY BLACK BOYS IN MCPS ARE DISCIPLINED AT HIGHER RATES THAN POOR WHITE BOYS.



Are there really enough wealthy black boys to make a statistical case one way or the other? I work in the system and I can count the number of truly affluent black boys on one hand that I have come across. Middle class is certainly a larger block but they are often compelled to "keep it real" and over try to earn respect from the trouble makers being they are often in economically diverse schools with large populations of poorer kids. There are simply not that many in the real affluent areas and I would wager the affluent ones in affluent areas have normal disciplinary records. In the examples of poor kids in affluent areas it is almost predictably so their records will show contrast.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2022 08:47     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
This discussion reminds me of the Washington post article linked below. It’s about a teacher who came from the Philippines where the students were in major poverty but had so much respect for their teachers. Then she comes to a poor school in Arizona to make more money and the kids are completely out of control. It’s really worth a read.

What the hell is happening to our country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/02/teacher-shortage-bullhead-city-arizona/
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2022 17:22     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.


I don’t think little gang bangers self-describe as liberals.


But the Department of Education employees and District administrators who oversee discipline do.


If they tried using a restorative circle seriously instead of just complaining, this would stop happening.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2022 14:46     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.


I don’t think little gang bangers self-describe as liberals.

That's so adorable!
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2022 10:34     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.


I don’t think little gang bangers self-describe as liberals.


But the Department of Education employees and District administrators who oversee discipline do.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2022 08:23     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.



MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.


This is not an exaggeration.



They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.


Well it's kind of true.


Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.



The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.


Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.


The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.


Did OP say the student was a children of color?
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2022 08:15     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:I used to tell people that Focus schools were the best. They had a great mix of students and some extra support. The students who were challenging were taken out of the classroom immediately and not returned until they were prepared to learn. Now, I wouldn’t even consider focus schools for my children. By taking all discipline away from the principals and raising class sizes, we just have a disaster. At least Title 1 have the extra support. Our school is a mess. I feel so bad for all the students (the majority) who want a good experience at school. The few big behavior kids in each class are ruining it for everyone. And teachers are fleeing our school ( and all focus schools). We have so many openings still.


Oh, I know! They used to use an iron maiden at our focus school in the good old days. It worked wonders for discipline.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2022 21:00     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.


Exactly the opposite. It's the Trump effect. Hateful imbeciles and their progeny have been emboldened since 2016.


What a bunch of BS. Is there nothing people in the DMV won’t blame on Trump? The Obama Department of Education started this with all their stuff about the school to prison pipeline and banning discipline in schools


No, no there is not.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2022 20:49     Subject: Re:Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Which schools have kids with this behavior recurring?
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2022 02:51     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.


Hello- this is literally every damn day in most schools, particularly middle and high school. Yes, this is why there is a teacher shortage.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2022 01:31     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.


Exactly the opposite. It's the Trump effect. Hateful imbeciles and their progeny have been emboldened since 2016.


What a bunch of BS. Is there nothing people in the DMV won’t blame on Trump? The Obama Department of Education started this with all their stuff about the school to prison pipeline and banning discipline in schools
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2022 01:22     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.


I don’t think little gang bangers self-describe as liberals.


No but the people who refuse to hold them accountable for their actions do
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2022 08:19     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have no clear an convincing proof that MCPS disciplinary policies in the 70’s - 90’s were racist. What you have are raw numbers showing that black kids were a higher percentage of this disciplined than overall numbers of black students in the schools. Those numbers do not prove racism in MCPS. To the contrary, your repeated assertion of that canard and trope has racist overtones. And now here we are today. With a failing system that benefits hardly anyone.


I mean there is plenty of evidence, both from MCPS and nationally. We see it in how often WEALTHY Black boys are disciplined. They are not being disciplined so much because they have bad parents, or because they are bad children. GTFOOH. It is racism. But don't worry because MCPS administrators think like you do.


The children of wealthy black families commit crimes at the same rate as the children of while families with HHI of ~30k. The rate of criminal activity is much higher in black families for any given HHI. Given this disparity of actual crime in adults, why would you think behavior in schools for adolescents will be the same?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2022 13:54     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
Anonymous wrote:PP, what should be done to help kids like you were? Especially at risk children of color? I tend to be a proponent of stricter disciplinary measures. But we can’t expel or suspend large numbers of kids. Neither can we let them disrupt and ruin our schools. FWIW, I think athletics or arts are a much needed outlet.


MCPS has planet of options for kids who want to do both Arts and Athletics.

FWIW, I don’t think an expanded football program is going to help these kids who are cursing at our teachers.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2022 13:50     Subject: Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class
PP, what should be done to help kids like you were? Especially at risk children of color? I tend to be a proponent of stricter disciplinary measures. But we can’t expel or suspend large numbers of kids. Neither can we let them disrupt and ruin our schools. FWIW, I think athletics or arts are a much needed outlet.