Anonymous
Post 08/03/2022 08:06     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







This. You cannot just undo the f-up that this has been. The only proven benefit to low risk people would have been PREVENTION, it's why so many took the shots, to avoid being quarantined, to avoid being infected and transmitting to others, to be able to take the masks off. These cohorts were not dying of Covid to start with before vaccines were even available.


There absolutely were younger healthy people with no preexisting conditions who died of Covid before vaccines. I agree they do not do all that we originally hoped, but I would still have gotten vaccinated even knowing everything we know. People like Nick Cordero and countless others would still be alive.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 21:28     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







The narrative keeps changing because yes, science and public health evolves. The vaccines work against severe disease and death and if you can't see that, I can't help you. Quit waiting to be spoon fed everything and open your eyes. It's a big world out there. I don't care what people were saying about COVID two years ago. Things have evolved. Keep up.


Yes, things "evolve". That's why it was unfortunate that at the time vaccines came out they were sold as "very effective at preventing infection" for which they turned out not to be as effective as originally thought. However, at the time if you dared utter any statement contrary to a perfect "infection effectiveness" narrative. Twiiter, Facebook, etc would immediately slap your statement as "misinformation". Hence the skepticism at any pronouncements deemed "definitive" - that's not science - that's ideology/belief
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 19:37     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







This. You cannot just undo the f-up that this has been. The only proven benefit to low risk people would have been PREVENTION, it's why so many took the shots, to avoid being quarantined, to avoid being infected and transmitting to others, to be able to take the masks off. These cohorts were not dying of Covid to start with before vaccines were even available.


Super limited perspective. Even if I personally won’t die from it, I benefit from it being controlled on a population level for economic and institutional reasons. Americans just didn’t get the memo on this.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 19:33     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







This. You cannot just undo the f-up that this has been. The only proven benefit to low risk people would have been PREVENTION, it's why so many took the shots, to avoid being quarantined, to avoid being infected and transmitting to others, to be able to take the masks off. These cohorts were not dying of Covid to start with before vaccines were even available.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 18:23     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







This is why armchair public health commentary is the worst.

The whole reason we had NPIs like masks was to reduce hospitalizations and keep our hospitals running. The goal was never to eradicate mild infections. Think about it, why would they care if people got sick? It’s not about getting sick. It’s about clogging up hospitals and creating staffing issues due to severe illness of a high number of people in the population at once. Vaccines mitigate that greatly.

We are so behind other countries, where vaccine/booster compliance is close to 99% and they don’t have to deal with all the COVID related issues we still do because it’s much more under control there.


Few countries without multiple layers of mitigation have it under control and those that do are limiting travel and other things.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 18:17     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







This is why armchair public health commentary is the worst.

The whole reason we had NPIs like masks was to reduce hospitalizations and keep our hospitals running. The goal was never to eradicate mild infections. Think about it, why would they care if people got sick? It’s not about getting sick. It’s about clogging up hospitals and creating staffing issues due to severe illness of a high number of people in the population at once. Vaccines mitigate that greatly.

We are so behind other countries, where vaccine/booster compliance is close to 99% and they don’t have to deal with all the COVID related issues we still do because it’s much more under control there.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 17:08     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







The narrative keeps changing because yes, science and public health evolves. The vaccines work against severe disease and death and if you can't see that, I can't help you. Quit waiting to be spoon fed everything and open your eyes. It's a big world out there. I don't care what people were saying about COVID two years ago. Things have evolved. Keep up.


I agree. If the government waited years to develop a vaccine with all the typical trials millions more would be dead. If China didn't hide Covid, the CDC would have probably had a running start, but we got blindsided. It didn't help Trump called Covid a hoax which turned it into a political symbol.


Borden’s do nothing approach is pretty harmful too.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 15:35     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







Agreed. Can we all just acknowledge that the information we got at first turned out to be wrong and that hurt the CDC's credibility? A lo. I wish people would stop with the mind bending "it was never meant to stop COVID infections," when we clearly were told otherwise. I'm pretty sure my lack of COVID at this point is due to the N95s I had purchased before COVID hit and have used where appropriate since March 2020. And now, they just want people to do their own "personal risk assessment." So I guess we still need to read all the medical journal studies and other jargon.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 10:57     Subject: COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They could have done a better job of communication. The whole "flatten the curve" obviously makes no sense in retrospect and I think the experts knew in March 2020 it didn't make sense because they know this would be going on for a long time. They screwed up messaging on masks, not just initially but also by continuing to claim N95 masks needed to be reserved for HCW long after the shortage was over. The messaging on vaccines for kids has been all over the place and their strategy of forcing young children to quarantine before the vaccine was available for them, so that parents would have an incentive to vaccinate their kids, is absolutely awful. They have this weird blind spot or just pure disdain for working parents. Their obsession with masking toddlers is just weird. Why not align with the WHO? Do they really think masking toddlers is making any significant difference in transmission? Do they really think covering the noses and mouths of kids that are just learning to talk and socialize will have no impacts?

All of that being said, yes if you are a critical reader you know vaccines are absolutely worthwhile, for all age groups.



I think the main concern was not seeing hospitals collapse until they built up the infrastructure to care for surges of patients. As we saw in parts of NYC, Italy andall over the place during the omnucron surger having a hospitals overrun with patients and not enough healthy staff (much less supplies, ppe abs ventilators) is bad. Very sick patients with covid can be on a ventilator for weeks or even months. They require a lot of round the clock intense xare


And when did they announce that they had built up the infrastructure to care for surges of patients? That was never communicated, and there was never an end to the crisis mode that some people are still living in. Schools stayed closed. Daycares had to operate at reduced capacity. Businesses were not allowed to operate. It has been constant crisis mode and that is why nobody wants to wear a mask anymore. If you force people into crisis mode for 2 years and then FINALLY tell them they can take their masks off, guess what, most people are not going to say hey, there's a surge, I'll put my mask back on no problem.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 10:03     Subject: COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:They could have done a better job of communication. The whole "flatten the curve" obviously makes no sense in retrospect and I think the experts knew in March 2020 it didn't make sense because they know this would be going on for a long time. They screwed up messaging on masks, not just initially but also by continuing to claim N95 masks needed to be reserved for HCW long after the shortage was over. The messaging on vaccines for kids has been all over the place and their strategy of forcing young children to quarantine before the vaccine was available for them, so that parents would have an incentive to vaccinate their kids, is absolutely awful. They have this weird blind spot or just pure disdain for working parents. Their obsession with masking toddlers is just weird. Why not align with the WHO? Do they really think masking toddlers is making any significant difference in transmission? Do they really think covering the noses and mouths of kids that are just learning to talk and socialize will have no impacts?

All of that being said, yes if you are a critical reader you know vaccines are absolutely worthwhile, for all age groups.



I think the main concern was not seeing hospitals collapse until they built up the infrastructure to care for surges of patients. As we saw in parts of NYC, Italy andall over the place during the omnucron surger having a hospitals overrun with patients and not enough healthy staff (much less supplies, ppe abs ventilators) is bad. Very sick patients with covid can be on a ventilator for weeks or even months. They require a lot of round the clock intense xare
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 09:54     Subject: COVID infection is brutal
They could have done a better job of communication. The whole "flatten the curve" obviously makes no sense in retrospect and I think the experts knew in March 2020 it didn't make sense because they know this would be going on for a long time. They screwed up messaging on masks, not just initially but also by continuing to claim N95 masks needed to be reserved for HCW long after the shortage was over. The messaging on vaccines for kids has been all over the place and their strategy of forcing young children to quarantine before the vaccine was available for them, so that parents would have an incentive to vaccinate their kids, is absolutely awful. They have this weird blind spot or just pure disdain for working parents. Their obsession with masking toddlers is just weird. Why not align with the WHO? Do they really think masking toddlers is making any significant difference in transmission? Do they really think covering the noses and mouths of kids that are just learning to talk and socialize will have no impacts?

All of that being said, yes if you are a critical reader you know vaccines are absolutely worthwhile, for all age groups.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 09:34     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







The narrative keeps changing because yes, science and public health evolves. The vaccines work against severe disease and death and if you can't see that, I can't help you. Quit waiting to be spoon fed everything and open your eyes. It's a big world out there. I don't care what people were saying about COVID two years ago. Things have evolved. Keep up.


I agree. If the government waited years to develop a vaccine with all the typical trials millions more would be dead. If China didn't hide Covid, the CDC would have probably had a running start, but we got blindsided. It didn't help Trump called Covid a hoax which turned it into a political symbol.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 09:27     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.







The narrative keeps changing because yes, science and public health evolves. The vaccines work against severe disease and death and if you can't see that, I can't help you. Quit waiting to be spoon fed everything and open your eyes. It's a big world out there. I don't care what people were saying about COVID two years ago. Things have evolved. Keep up.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 08:12     Subject: COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer


Sample size of 4, reported anonymously on a moms forum is surely the kind of scientific rigor that will hold up in court!


Do you actually disagree though? Pushing boosters with almost zero efficacy on healthy, young people seems almost criminal at this point.


Which is why nobody is actually pushing the currently available boosters right now. Biden admin didn’t approve them widely because they know they aren’t effective against this strain and are hoping the new ones later this fall will be.


Each camp my teenage kid attended or worked at required boosters.



My teens attended 5 different camps. None required vaccination.
Yes, provare businesses, whom you chose to patronize, made their own rules. Film at 11.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2022 08:10     Subject: Re:COVID infection is brutal
Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25


The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.