Anonymous wrote:these situations: It's always the spouse

Yup.

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Anonymous wrote:She is alive only because she hid. Those babies have a mother because she hid. That's it.

You have no way to know that’s the truth!

+1 This could be a Pamela Smart situation so she and her kids weren’t in any danger.

these situations: It's always the spouse

Anonymous wrote:She is alive only because she hid. Those babies have a mother because she hid. That's it.

You have no way to know that’s the truth!

She is alive only because she hid. Those babies have a mother because she hid. That's it.

Oh and I'm the pp and a woman and mother of 2. for the record that also is often NOT the safest thing to do to help your children in a situation like this. The least amount of conflict/engagement with an intruder the better.

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Anonymous wrote:You have absolutely no idea what you would do in this situation. Nobody knows what they’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. It’s a fight/flight response to trauma that’s innate and although you would like to think you’d respond a certain way, you truly have absolutely no idea until you’re in it.

This has to be a man responding

NP, I am a woman and this is absolutely true. People’s reactions to violent, surprising encounters are as variable as the attacks. Our minds do instantaneous mental calculations of survival and oftentimes freeze is the response—-it’s a biological reaction.

Unless you’ve been training self-defense regularly and practiced feeling and resisting that freeze response, you can’t say with certainty what you might do when surprised by an intruder with a gun in the middle of the night. Even if you HAVE trained for years to respond, you STILL might freeze.

Agreed, the fact that people think they know exactly what they would do just shows a lack of knowledge about trauma and how it works. Many, many people freeze in the face of a fight/flight situation and there is nothing you can do about it - no mother instinct can override that if it's how your particular brain happens to respond to that level of stress. Unless you have been in a situation as dire as this you can't predict the calculations your brain might make in the 3 seconds it has to make a decision with very little information.

It's way easier in hindsight to say oh I would have done this and it's "suspicious" if someone did something else. You have much more information now than the person does at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:You have absolutely no idea what you would do in this situation. Nobody knows what they’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. It’s a fight/flight response to trauma that’s innate and although you would like to think you’d respond a certain way, you truly have absolutely no idea until you’re in it.

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NP, I am a woman and this is absolutely true. People’s reactions to violent, surprising encounters are as variable as the attacks. Our minds do instantaneous mental calculations of survival and oftentimes freeze is the response—-it’s a biological reaction.

Unless you’ve been training self-defense regularly and practiced feeling and resisting that freeze response, you can’t say with certainty what you might do when surprised by an intruder with a gun in the middle of the night. Even if you HAVE trained for years to respond, you STILL might freeze.

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Anonymous wrote:The wife told 911 she was hiding in the first floor bathroom and it was reported that police found the kids unharmed upstairs when they arrived. If that is correct, it makes no sense. They are 2yo and 6 months. What mother would not immediately go to her kids if she suspected an intruder in the house had just killed her husband?

LOL she's lying but our thoughts that this was a domestic incident all along was so wrong...

You're Monday night quarterbacks. I'm sure if an armed intruder broke in a few feet from you, you'd chase right behind him up the stairs like Rambo.

No one said she would go after them. We're saying with an infant and toddler upstairs and her husband in a separate bedroom, what normal 30-year-old woman passes out on the couch or is up at 3AM on the first floor?

I slept on the couch a lot as a new mom. I stopped when my youngest was 1 or so. Their youngest is 5 months. I think it's like I was too exhausted to get ready for bed. Was easier to just pass out.

Yes, but would the threat of an intruder make you run toward your baby or hide away from your baby?

I would not run towards the intruder. That's a death march.

I wouldn’t even think. I would save my kids or die trying and I think most mothers would instinctually do the same. That is why people are suspicious. It makes it seem like the mother somehow knew the kids were not in danger.

You have absolutely no idea what you would do in this situation. Nobody knows what they’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. It’s a fight/flight response to trauma that’s innate and although you would like to think you’d respond a certain way, you truly have absolutely no idea until you’re in it.

This has to be a man responding

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Anonymous wrote:The wife told 911 she was hiding in the first floor bathroom and it was reported that police found the kids unharmed upstairs when they arrived. If that is correct, it makes no sense. They are 2yo and 6 months. What mother would not immediately go to her kids if she suspected an intruder in the house had just killed her husband?

LOL she's lying but our thoughts that this was a domestic incident all along was so wrong...

You're Monday night quarterbacks. I'm sure if an armed intruder broke in a few feet from you, you'd chase right behind him up the stairs like Rambo.

No one said she would go after them. We're saying with an infant and toddler upstairs and her husband in a separate bedroom, what normal 30-year-old woman passes out on the couch or is up at 3AM on the first floor?

I slept on the couch a lot as a new mom. I stopped when my youngest was 1 or so. Their youngest is 5 months. I think it's like I was too exhausted to get ready for bed. Was easier to just pass out.

Yes, but would the threat of an intruder make you run toward your baby or hide away from your baby?

I would not run towards the intruder. That's a death march.

I wouldn’t even think. I would save my kids or die trying and I think most mothers would instinctually do the same. That is why people are suspicious. It makes it seem like the mother somehow knew the kids were not in danger.

You have absolutely no idea what you would do in this situation. Nobody knows what they’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. It’s a fight/flight response to trauma that’s innate and although you would like to think you’d respond a certain way, you truly have absolutely no idea until you’re in it.

This. If you're asleep then someone comes into the room at 2am, would you be able to understand what's happening and think clearly?

I still think she did it

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Anonymous wrote:The wife told 911 she was hiding in the first floor bathroom and it was reported that police found the kids unharmed upstairs when they arrived. If that is correct, it makes no sense. They are 2yo and 6 months. What mother would not immediately go to her kids if she suspected an intruder in the house had just killed her husband?

LOL she's lying but our thoughts that this was a domestic incident all along was so wrong...

You're Monday night quarterbacks. I'm sure if an armed intruder broke in a few feet from you, you'd chase right behind him up the stairs like Rambo.

No one said she would go after them. We're saying with an infant and toddler upstairs and her husband in a separate bedroom, what normal 30-year-old woman passes out on the couch or is up at 3AM on the first floor?

I slept on the couch a lot as a new mom. I stopped when my youngest was 1 or so. Their youngest is 5 months. I think it's like I was too exhausted to get ready for bed. Was easier to just pass out.

Yes, but would the threat of an intruder make you run toward your baby or hide away from your baby?

I would not run towards the intruder. That's a death march.

I wouldn’t even think. I would save my kids or die trying and I think most mothers would instinctually do the same. That is why people are suspicious. It makes it seem like the mother somehow knew the kids were not in danger.

You have absolutely no idea what you would do in this situation. Nobody knows what they’d do in a situation like this until you’re in it. It’s a fight/flight response to trauma that’s innate and although you would like to think you’d respond a certain way, you truly have absolutely no idea until you’re in it.

Homicide means it wasnt suicide.

No threat to the public means he was targeted specifically and/or someone he knew.

The varying reports about the wife are not all official. Some are coming from the friend‘s Twitter account – like the one saying she was in bed with him.

Anonymous wrote:The number of new reports and people they keep saying the guy was ceo of a nonprofit is sad. Shoddy reporting and lack of common sense. The company website isn’t even a .org …

I don't understand. https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/471630253

Doesn't that mean it's nonprofit?

None of this information makes sense. She was in bed with him, but managed to escape to the bathroom and call 911?