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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if this was covered (did not read all the responses) but he may have a retained SPINAL GALANT reflex, which is a primative reflex that should have been integrated already. Frequent bedwetting past a certain age is one of the markers. Your regular pediatrician won't know a thing about it. Go to an experienced occupational therapist or physical therapist who is familiar with retained primative reflexes and reflex integration. There are also a ton of videos on youtube to test if the spinal galant reflex is present and specific exercises to help integrate it. Also, online course that can help you as well to tackle the neurology behind why this is happening...

Thank you. This is such good advice.

-a former bedwetter

this is super interesting. why dont they test these at regular ped/well visits

My 9.5 old still wets almost every night and needs a good nite diaper. We recently saw a urologist NP at Children’s and she also suggested the alarm and said it can still happen at this age, even if not prevalent.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, if you want to both train your kids, whatever.

But the fact is that pediatricians tell you not to, medical studies indicate that it’s largely a function of hormone shifts, and many people don’t.

OP is one such person. She is looking for support/advice for an older kid who still urinates in his sleep nightly.

All these “you have to night train at 3/4 right after you day train” comments are pointless because they have nothing to do with OP’s situation. It really seems like you are mostly posting them to try and make OP and those in her situation feel bad for following the advice of doctors. What is the point if that? Who does it help?

Well suggesting to night train the kid by using an alarm or many other ways that ppl have kindly suggested IS advice. Now if parents would rather deal with big kids soaking themselves and the bed every night, that's their choice. But at some point you have to take the bull by the horns and not just find ways to contain all the pee. Pediatricians don't really care about this and just tell the parents what they want to hear.

PP here. I have no issue with the helpful advice aimed at night training an older child. I think that's productive.

I'm responding specifically to the people offering the unproductive "advice" of "well you should have night trained him years ago." It's just not useful and doesn't get OP anywhere, and to respond to another PP -- yes, it is shaming. Telling someone repeatedly that they screwed up by not doing something they have been told is not appropriate IS shaming.

Also, while some pediatricians may not advise against night training, ours absolutely did. I remember the annual checkup after our kid potty training during the day, the ped asked if she was still wearing diapers at night and I told her yes, that we hadn't started addressing that yet. And she told me explicitly not to night train, that the child would stop peeing overnight on her own and then we could ditch the diapers. Which, fortunately for us, happened at 4 with very little fanfare. But that's why it doesn't surprise me at all that some kids are still in diapers at night until older ages, because if it doesn't happen on it's own, then what? Our pediatrician was 100% positive it would happen on it's own (and was right, as we never night trained).

I'm just saying that scolding a parent who has simply followed a doctor's advice only to find themselves in the unenviable position of trying to figure out what to do about a 7 or 8 year old who is peeing through their pull-ups every night is pointless and a little mean spirited.

I think the suggestion to try a bedwetting alarm is the best one on here so far and that's probably what I'd do in OP's situation.

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure if this was covered (did not read all the responses) but he may have a retained SPINAL GALANT reflex, which is a primative reflex that should have been integrated already. Frequent bedwetting past a certain age is one of the markers. Your regular pediatrician won't know a thing about it. Go to an experienced occupational therapist or physical therapist who is familiar with retained primative reflexes and reflex integration. There are also a ton of videos on youtube to test if the spinal galant reflex is present and specific exercises to help integrate it. Also, online course that can help you as well to tackle the neurology behind why this is happening...

Thank you. This is such good advice.

-a former bedwetter

I'm not sure if this was covered (did not read all the responses) but he may have a retained SPINAL GALANT reflex, which is a primative reflex that should have been integrated already. Frequent bedwetting past a certain age is one of the markers. Your regular pediatrician won't know a thing about it. Go to an experienced occupational therapist or physical therapist who is familiar with retained primative reflexes and reflex integration. There are also a ton of videos on youtube to test if the spinal galant reflex is present and specific exercises to help integrate it. Also, online course that can help you as well to tackle the neurology behind why this is happening...

Anonymous wrote:My kids are 4, 7, and 10, all boys.

The youngest stayed dry day and night in the same weekend a month after he turned 3, absolutly an easy process that he basically did on his own without any prodding from us.

The oldest potty trained quite a bit later, but was also done with nighttime training less than a few months after he trained in the daytime.

My middle son though, at age 7, has NEVER, not once had a dry night in his entire life. He wears Goodnites to bed every night and often pees through them. Before he fit in those, we used size 6 diapers.

My point? What works well for one kid simply doesn't work the same for another, just because some person on an internet board says X thing worked for their kid, it doesn't make it gospel.

Do what works for your kids, and don't let anyone shame you about it.

you could try size 7 diapers if he's small enough, i hear they work better than goodnites.

My kids are 4, 7, and 10, all boys.

The youngest stayed dry day and night in the same weekend a month after he turned 3, absolutly an easy process that he basically did on his own without any prodding from us.

The oldest potty trained quite a bit later, but was also done with nighttime training less than a few months after he trained in the daytime.

My middle son though, at age 7, has NEVER, not once had a dry night in his entire life. He wears Goodnites to bed every night and often pees through them. Before he fit in those, we used size 6 diapers.

My point? What works well for one kid simply doesn't work the same for another, just because some person on an internet board says X thing worked for their kid, it doesn't make it gospel.

Do what works for your kids, and don't let anyone shame you about it.

My DD was until age 7 and DC until age 5 when they were both dry at night, we didn’t actually nighttime train or wake them up (tried but didn’t work) just wait until they naturally did it. Myself was until age 12 and I had to take some medication for it. A doctor friend told us not to give kids milk at dinner time and limit water before bed time. Make sure kid go pee right before bed time, wears underwear inside pull-ups so if it gets wet kids can feel it and wake up and go to bathroom, never wake them up for potty at night, they have to be able to wake up by themselves. Also give lot of courage to your kid.

my 10 year old also has issues staying dry at night, had an accident a few times a week.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, if you want to both train your kids, whatever.

But the fact is that pediatricians tell you not to, medical studies indicate that it’s largely a function of hormone shifts, and many people don’t.

OP is one such person. She is looking for support/advice for an older kid who still urinates in his sleep nightly.

All these “you have to night train at 3/4 right after you day train” comments are pointless because they have nothing to do with OP’s situation. It really seems like you are mostly posting them to try and make OP and those in her situation feel bad for following the advice of doctors. What is the point if that? Who does it help?

No one is shaming anyone here. People are giving suggestions based on what worked for them. Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to go against a doctor and try something else when nothing is working. It just requires some commitment. If people don't want to do it, then fine, just wait until kid is mentally ready on their own (which is kind of what the night training is - training their brain)

Our ped told us to train, actually. She is at Hopkins. Said many parents are leaving it too late by using night diapers and kids are not getting the autonomy they need because of it. By “train” she just meant let them feel when they get wet and take them for a night pee. It worked for both of ours around age 3.5, 4.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, if you want to both train your kids, whatever.

But the fact is that pediatricians tell you not to, medical studies indicate that it’s largely a function of hormone shifts, and many people don’t.

OP is one such person. She is looking for support/advice for an older kid who still urinates in his sleep nightly.

All these “you have to night train at 3/4 right after you day train” comments are pointless because they have nothing to do with OP’s situation. It really seems like you are mostly posting them to try and make OP and those in her situation feel bad for following the advice of doctors. What is the point if that? Who does it help?

No one is shaming anyone here. People are giving suggestions based on what worked for them. Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to go against a doctor and try something else when nothing is working. It just requires some commitment. If people don't want to do it, then fine, just wait until kid is mentally ready on their own (which is kind of what the night training is - training their brain)

I'm a PP who specifically "night-trained" my kids at age 5 and I agree. My pediatrician was "not concerned" and had no suggestions on how to help me. She didn't explicetly tell me NOT to try anything either. Our ped practice is pretty laissez-faire on most things, which is sometimes good and sometimes not. Fortunately I was in a pretty active moms group, I knew that most of the other kids the age of mine were not in night diapers and some of the moms coached me on what to do. I am VERY thankful because I truly do not believe either of my children would have magically stopped peeing in the night diaper if we had not taken action.

I'm not shaming OP and she's free to do what she likes, but she doesn't have to just accept this as something she can do nothing about.

Anonymous wrote:You know, if you want to both train your kids, whatever.

But the fact is that pediatricians tell you not to, medical studies indicate that it’s largely a function of hormone shifts, and many people don’t.

OP is one such person. She is looking for support/advice for an older kid who still urinates in his sleep nightly.

All these “you have to night train at 3/4 right after you day train” comments are pointless because they have nothing to do with OP’s situation. It really seems like you are mostly posting them to try and make OP and those in her situation feel bad for following the advice of doctors. What is the point if that? Who does it help?

No one is shaming anyone here. People are giving suggestions based on what worked for them. Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to go against a doctor and try something else when nothing is working. It just requires some commitment. If people don't want to do it, then fine, just wait until kid is mentally ready on their own (which is kind of what the night training is - training their brain)

Anonymous wrote:Take away the pull ups. He needs to feel when he pees. And take him for a pee around 10:30, 11 before you go to sleep.

Both of mine night trained like this either slightly before or after 4. Neither had dry diapers before. You just go for it.

I did this when my kids day trained. Two kids did fine after a couple of weeks or so. My youngest continued wetting the bed nightly. I just got into the habit of washing everything every day until my husband started WFH during the pandemic, saw me doing it, and bought some Goodnights. It had been about two years at that point.
Two years later, and DS still wets the bed every night.

I did alarm with 6 year after getting tired for pull up. Doctor say it development but I talk with friend that do son of 4 year. I think if she do I do too. 3 week later no more diaper. Happy happy happy happy day!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, if you want to both train your kids, whatever.

But the fact is that pediatricians tell you not to, medical studies indicate that it’s largely a function of hormone shifts, and many people don’t.

OP is one such person. She is looking for support/advice for an older kid who still urinates in his sleep nightly.

All these “you have to night train at 3/4 right after you day train” comments are pointless because they have nothing to do with OP’s situation. It really seems like you are mostly posting them to try and make OP and those in her situation feel bad for following the advice of doctors. What is the point if that? Who does it help?

I didn’t see anyone shaming her just providing suggestions. If OP wants to wait it out that’s her choice I highly doubt anyone here really cares either way.

NP

She asked about pull up options for older kids. This went so far away from that.

She won’t need them if she just night time trains him.

+1 THIS