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Anonymous wrote:So adults are the ones teaching kids oral is not sex???? This really isn’t the result of teen naïveté but adult ignorance? SMH

Isn’t isnt ignorance, it is opinion. I don’t consider oral to be “sex” in the literal meaning. If it can’t result in making a baby, then it isn’t sex. Oral, manual, etc. I consider sexual acts, but not sex.

So homosexuals don’t have sex?

Anonymous wrote:Well, 8th graders were have intercourse in various ways 30 years ago, so assume they are still at it now.

Let’s not forget the juvenile ranking “first base, second base . . . “ to describe foreplay (with the “home run” being PIV).

But as someone up thread pointed out, that “ranking” is sort of “heterocentric” (is that even a word?).

Plenty of 8th or 9th graders have had it in the butt. Not the whole load but a bit of it.

Well, 8th graders were have intercourse in various ways 30 years ago, so assume they are still at it now.

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Anonymous wrote:So adults are the ones teaching kids oral is not sex???? This really isn’t the result of teen naïveté but adult ignorance? SMH

Isn’t isnt ignorance, it is opinion. I don’t consider oral to be “sex” in the literal meaning. If it can’t result in making a baby, then it isn’t sex. Oral, manual, etc. I consider sexual acts, but not sex.

Anal sex between men is not sex? It’s literally called intercourse.

And oral sex, but hey I guess after women hit menapuse they’ll have to come up with another name for whatever it is.

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Anonymous wrote:So adults are the ones teaching kids oral is not sex???? This really isn’t the result of teen naïveté but adult ignorance? SMH

Isn’t isnt ignorance, it is opinion. I don’t consider oral to be “sex” in the literal meaning. If it can’t result in making a baby, then it isn’t sex. Oral, manual, etc. I consider sexual acts, but not sex.

Anal sex between men is not sex? It’s literally called intercourse.

Some are. I remember some doing it when I was a kid, that would have been 1985.

Anonymous wrote:So adults are the ones teaching kids oral is not sex???? This really isn’t the result of teen naïveté but adult ignorance? SMH

Isn’t isnt ignorance, it is opinion. I don’t consider oral to be “sex” in the literal meaning. If it can’t result in making a baby, then it isn’t sex. Oral, manual, etc. I consider sexual acts, but not sex.

Anonymous wrote:So adults are the ones teaching kids oral is not sex???? This really isn’t the result of teen naïveté but adult ignorance? SMH

Adults have always been ignorant. Kids are having sex but adults don’t believe what they don’t want to believe.

So adults are the ones teaching kids oral is not sex???? This really isn’t the result of teen naïveté but adult ignorance? SMH

No

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just one talk, it's ongoing.

While not sex, per se, my middle school had to get rid of bathroom stall doors because too much oral sex was going on. Fun times. It was mortifying to go to the bathroom as a girl in middle school without doors.

Oral sex is sex. It involves penetration of a person’s body, no matter how slight.

Oral is not sex.

Tbh that is a knee jerk reaction I have too. Except then I step back and realize that it's wholly based on my hetero perspective. There are women who never experience penetration from an actual penis in their whole lives, and other iterations of physical intimacy among myriad other couples etc, and in not world would we think of them as "virgins" in adult relationships. So the then I think we need to reevaluate these balcn and white definitions. I mean in the end this is an arbitrary line no matter where.its drawn

Very thought-provoking post!

The part I bolded - I gave that some more thought, especially in light of posts I am increasingly seeing on this forum about today’s girls’ sleepovers / slumber parties.

Tons of “fooling around” (sexually) happens now at girls’ sleepovers, especially with the explosion of acceptance of LGTBQI+ in schools. In my own daughters school, they reported “everybody is into it” - although when we discussed it further, they said they thought 25% to maybe 50% were actually part of LGTBQI+ in some way (it is, after all, a rather broad umbrella). Some fooling around at one or two sleepovers always happened, I’m told. But today is different. Then the realization hit home:

Girls are not “fooling around” with each other; they are having sex with each other - and it is as equal to marital sex between married, lesbian women.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy. All of my friends, except 1, had never done it before college.

That’s rare.

No, it’s not, especially if your parents are still married.

That’s weird. In my experience whether or not the parents were divorced had nothing to do with it.

I can see that...

Divorced parents, especially if it was in within a couple years tend to be very checked out of parenting and heavily invested in their own dating life and relationships. A lot gets missed.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just one talk, it's ongoing.

While not sex, per se, my middle school had to get rid of bathroom stall doors because too much oral sex was going on. Fun times. It was mortifying to go to the bathroom as a girl in middle school without doors.

Oral sex is sex. It involves penetration of a person’s body, no matter how slight.

Oral is not sex.

Tbh that is a knee jerk reaction I have too. Except then I step back and realize that it's wholly based on my hetero perspective. There are women who never experience penetration from an actual penis in their whole lives, and other iterations of physical intimacy among myriad other couples etc, and in not world would we think of them as "virgins" in adult relationships. So the then I think we need to reevaluate these balcn and white definitions. I mean in the end this is an arbitrary line no matter where.its drawn

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Anonymous wrote:But isn’t the survey anonymous?

Why would t 8th grade girls not answer truthfully if the survey is actually anonymous?

I hear kids laughing at how they lie on those surveys.

Wow - you really are in denial about this.

Yes, she’s in denial. People’s ability to convince themselves of whatever they want to believe never ceases to amaze me.