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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I like how you just completely ignore the research on physical and mental health impact to teenagers of early school start times (especially the current middle school start time). I guess their needs don’t deserve consideration in your analysis?

Oh, I considered it. I also considered that teenagers could get plenty of sleep if they go to bed earlier. There’s nothing magical about later school start times- it’s about getting enough sleep, whether that happens at night or in the morning. I managed early school starts, as did all my schoolmates, my husband and his schoolmates, my kids currently, along with students all around the world. The problem is bad sleep hygiene, not school start times.

Essentially kids would have to eliminate afterschool activities, jobs and child care they need to provide for their siblings to be able to go to bed earlier and address all of their homework. The way it is now, kids involved in so many activities, work, childcare, excess homework, something has to give. In this area we put so much pressure on these kids so what gives is sleep. They suffer buy outwardly it looks like they’re doing it all.

DP. What you seem to not be seeing is the fact that kids in those jobs and childcare roles are already giving up activities. You talk like all kids are doing all things - except the poor kids are doing even more because they have both younger siblings and jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

MS students are not old enough to hold jobs, and the system should NOT work around making them childcare for younger siblings, either! That’s way too much for MS students, who are just kids themselves, trying to recover from the pandemic.

Like it or not, lots of families in Arlington depend on their older kids to take care of younger ones because they can’t afford child care. It happens whether the system is geared for it or not.

It isn't APS' responsibility to determine and accommodate families' schedules. It is APS' responsibility to run the best quality, most efficient system it can provide. As you say, whether the system is geared for it or not, families depend on various things.....and therefore families have to figure it out according to how the system is "geared." Not the other way around. Because tailor-gearing for the needs of 23,000 students is not possible.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like that each option extends the total time for my HS student.

By 13 mins. Gee, what an impact in the grand scheme of things. Just goes to show someone at EPS will always find something to complain about.

Getting out later really messes things up for older kids who have jobs and activities after school. It does impact things for plenty of people, just not you. Just goes to show how someone will always find things to discredit other people's concerns.

13 minutes. Activities will be shifted due to an entire system of schools starting later. Every high school kid will be in the same situation. It's not as if they are shifting the day to an hour later.

One scenario doesn't have them getting out until 3:35. It's ridiculous!

What's so ridiculous about 3:35? It's only a half an hour and it actually puts it closer to the start time of some after-school activities that don't start until 4:00, which means less wasted/awkward time between end of school and start of activity

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If the schools end time changes, so will activity start times in Arlington. Geez. Unless what you’re really saying is that no changes should be made so you have time to drive your kid to travel sports conditioning in FFX on time. Eff that noise.

When you have a 3 or 4 hour shift/practice that begins right after school, you need time to get there, change and have a snack.

3:35 seems like a perfectly reasonable school end time to me. I don't know about other folks, but spouse and I work regularly until 5:30 - 6PM. We have always selected kids activities with a later start time, or which don't require significant driving in traffic. I don't know many FT working people who can get off at 3 on a regular basis to schlep middle or early high school kids across town for a 4PM practice start. And why is Larla practicing for 3-4 hours? Is she going to the Olympics?

Gymnasts regularly practice between 3-4 hours at a time. That's standard. The Olympians do much more. :p

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like that each option extends the total time for my HS student.

By 13 mins. Gee, what an impact in the grand scheme of things. Just goes to show someone at EPS will always find something to complain about.

Getting out later really messes things up for older kids who have jobs and activities after school. It does impact things for plenty of people, just not you. Just goes to show how someone will always find things to discredit other people's concerns.

13 minutes. Activities will be shifted due to an entire system of schools starting later. Every high school kid will be in the same situation. It's not as if they are shifting the day to an hour later.

One scenario doesn't have them getting out until 3:35. It's ridiculous!

What's so ridiculous about 3:35? It's only a half an hour and it actually puts it closer to the start time of some after-school activities that don't start until 4:00, which means less wasted/awkward time between end of school and start of activity

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If the schools end time changes, so will activity start times in Arlington. Geez. Unless what you’re really saying is that no changes should be made so you have time to drive your kid to travel sports conditioning in FFX on time. Eff that noise.

When you have a 3 or 4 hour shift/practice that begins right after school, you need time to get there, change and have a snack.

3:35 seems like a perfectly reasonable school end time to me. I don't know about other folks, but spouse and I work regularly until 5:30 - 6PM. We have always selected kids activities with a later start time, or which don't require significant driving in traffic. I don't know many FT working people who can get off at 3 on a regular basis to schlep middle or early high school kids across town for a 4PM practice start. And why is Larla practicing for 3-4 hours? Is she going to the Olympics?

Gymnasts regularly practice between 3-4 hours at a time. That's standard. The Olympians do much more. :p

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I like how you just completely ignore the research on physical and mental health impact to teenagers of early school start times (especially the current middle school start time). I guess their needs don’t deserve consideration in your analysis?

Oh, I considered it. I also considered that teenagers could get plenty of sleep if they go to bed earlier. There’s nothing magical about later school start times- it’s about getting enough sleep, whether that happens at night or in the morning. I managed early school starts, as did all my schoolmates, my husband and his schoolmates, my kids currently, along with students all around the world. The problem is bad sleep hygiene, not school start times.

Essentially kids would have to eliminate afterschool activities, jobs and child care they need to provide for their siblings to be able to go to bed earlier and address all of their homework. The way it is now, kids involved in so many activities, work, childcare, excess homework, something has to give. In this area we put so much pressure on these kids so what gives is sleep. They suffer buy outwardly it looks like they’re doing it all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like that each option extends the total time for my HS student.

By 13 mins. Gee, what an impact in the grand scheme of things. Just goes to show someone at EPS will always find something to complain about.

Getting out later really messes things up for older kids who have jobs and activities after school. It does impact things for plenty of people, just not you. Just goes to show how someone will always find things to discredit other people's concerns.

13 minutes. Activities will be shifted due to an entire system of schools starting later. Every high school kid will be in the same situation. It's not as if they are shifting the day to an hour later.

One scenario doesn't have them getting out until 3:35. It's ridiculous!

What's so ridiculous about 3:35? It's only a half an hour and it actually puts it closer to the start time of some after-school activities that don't start until 4:00, which means less wasted/awkward time between end of school and start of activity

.

If the schools end time changes, so will activity start times in Arlington. Geez. Unless what you’re really saying is that no changes should be made so you have time to drive your kid to travel sports conditioning in FFX on time. Eff that noise.

When you have a 3 or 4 hour shift/practice that begins right after school, you need time to get there, change and have a snack.

3:35 seems like a perfectly reasonable school end time to me. I don't know about other folks, but spouse and I work regularly until 5:30 - 6PM. We have always selected kids activities with a later start time, or which don't require significant driving in traffic. I don't know many FT working people who can get off at 3 on a regular basis to schlep middle or early high school kids across town for a 4PM practice start. And why is Larla practicing for 3-4 hours? Is she going to the Olympics?

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I like how you just completely ignore the research on physical and mental health impact to teenagers of early school start times (especially the current middle school start time). I guess their needs don’t deserve consideration in your analysis?

Oh, I considered it. I also considered that teenagers could get plenty of sleep if they go to bed earlier. There’s nothing magical about later school start times- it’s about getting enough sleep, whether that happens at night or in the morning. I managed early school starts, as did all my schoolmates, my husband and his schoolmates, my kids currently, along with students all around the world. The problem is bad sleep hygiene, not school start times.

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

MS students are not old enough to hold jobs, and the system should NOT work around making them childcare for younger siblings, either! That’s way too much for MS students, who are just kids themselves, trying to recover from the pandemic.

Like it or not, lots of families in Arlington depend on their older kids to take care of younger ones because they can’t afford child care. It happens whether the system is geared for it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I agree with this. My middle schooler may not enjoy getting up early, but he enjoys school ending early enough so that he can do an after school activity at school, and still make it to his non-school sports practice/have time for homework. If transportation problems are the real issue, let’s focus on that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like that each option extends the total time for my HS student.

By 13 mins. Gee, what an impact in the grand scheme of things. Just goes to show someone at EPS will always find something to complain about.

Getting out later really messes things up for older kids who have jobs and activities after school. It does impact things for plenty of people, just not you. Just goes to show how someone will always find things to discredit other people's concerns.

13 minutes. Activities will be shifted due to an entire system of schools starting later. Every high school kid will be in the same situation. It's not as if they are shifting the day to an hour later.

One scenario doesn't have them getting out until 3:35. It's ridiculous!

What's so ridiculous about 3:35? It's only a half an hour and it actually puts it closer to the start time of some after-school activities that don't start until 4:00, which means less wasted/awkward time between end of school and start of activity

When you have a 3 or 4 hour shift/practice that begins right after school, you need time to get there, change and have a snack.

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I like how you just completely ignore the research on physical and mental health impact to teenagers of early school start times (especially the current middle school start time). I guess their needs don’t deserve consideration in your analysis?

Oh, I considered it. I also considered that teenagers could get plenty of sleep if they go to bed earlier. There’s nothing magical about later school start times- it’s about getting enough sleep, whether that happens at night or in the morning. I managed early school starts, as did all my schoolmates, my husband and his schoolmates, my kids currently, along with students all around the world. The problem is bad sleep hygiene, not school start times.

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I like how you just completely ignore the research on physical and mental health impact to teenagers of early school start times (especially the current middle school start time). I guess their needs don’t deserve consideration in your analysis?

Oh, I considered it. I also considered that teenagers could get plenty of sleep if they go to bed earlier. There’s nothing magical about later school start times- it’s about getting enough sleep, whether that happens at night or in the morning. I managed early school starts, as did all my schoolmates, my husband and his schoolmates, my kids currently, along with students all around the world. The problem is bad sleep hygiene, not school start times.

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

I like how you just completely ignore the research on physical and mental health impact to teenagers of early school start times (especially the current middle school start time). I guess their needs don’t deserve consideration in your analysis?

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Anonymous wrote:APS should keep tweaks as minimal as possible while meeting their transportation goals. If they need to make large shifts in time for some schools, limit it to choice schools and programs.

Wholesale flipping around of start times would have far reaching implications beyond the school day, from those that have already been mentioned, to stresses on facility and sports scheduling- pools, fields, gyms, etc. MS and HS should end their school days earlier to give students time to both participate in extracurricular activities and still have time to get homework and studying completed. Not to mention that it allows older siblings to be available to care for younger ones or hold a desperately needed part time job.

Tweaks ok, massive shifts not.

MS students are not old enough to hold jobs, and the system should NOT work around making them childcare for younger siblings, either! That’s way too much for MS students, who are just kids themselves, trying to recover from the pandemic.