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There is a huge anti-Catholic component involved with Notre Dane as well. I’m sure many viewers watch their games and pray that they lose!

I'm not anti-Catholic, but I usually pull for an ND loss because they get more TV time than their quality would usually seem to justify and they tend to get rankings that are overly favorable.

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There is a huge anti-Catholic component involved with Notre Dane as well. I’m sure many viewers watch their games and pray that they lose!

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Anonymous wrote:UNC, U of TN, A&M, Michigan, Notredame, Ole Miss, Penn State

Although, I think non alum where UNC and Notredame gear, but probably not the same for most other schools.

Yes, you have a whole subset of ND subway alum who never attended, but love the school.

NP here. UNC and Notre Dame are two schools that immediately come to mind that have significant fan bases that are not alumni of each individual school.

Michael Jordan and Nike sure have helped UNC’s image stay popular over the decades. I see plenty of my DC’s teen peers in Carolina gear and I know neither of the parents went to school there. The Air Jordan 1s in the University color (which is Carolina blue) is among the most coveted editions (I have a sneaker head teen). Many celebrities over the year have been photographed in UNC jerseys (I still love the famous one of Snoop Dog wearing one) or been seen at football and basketball games.

Notre Dame also seems to have a huge number of subway alumni which I find really cool. I’ve meet many people who said they grew up a Notre Dame fan but didn’t end up going there (maybe couldn’t get in, don’t know). When you have love for a school that extends outside of people who went there I think it says a lot about the school spirit. You don’t see that with many other schools.

It’s called being a devout Catholic in the case of Notre Dame. There are many of them all over the country. All large state universities with good sports teams have significant fan bases, in their regions. Very few schools have a true national appeal. Look at tv viewership rankings for college football and to a lesser extent, basketball.

Agree, except I might remove the word "devout". I know a number of ND subway alums and they're pretty much all either 1) Catholic or 2) From Indiana. Catholic fans cheer for Notre Dame over other Catholic schools because ND sports teams are generally better, so they're more fun to root for. Plus ND football games are all over national TV, which makes them easy to watch.

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Anonymous wrote:UNC, U of TN, A&M, Michigan, Notredame, Ole Miss, Penn State

Although, I think non alum where UNC and Notredame gear, but probably not the same for most other schools.

Yes, you have a whole subset of ND subway alum who never attended, but love the school.

NP here. UNC and Notre Dame are two schools that immediately come to mind that have significant fan bases that are not alumni of each individual school.

Michael Jordan and Nike sure have helped UNC’s image stay popular over the decades. I see plenty of my DC’s teen peers in Carolina gear and I know neither of the parents went to school there. The Air Jordan 1s in the University color (which is Carolina blue) is among the most coveted editions (I have a sneaker head teen). Many celebrities over the year have been photographed in UNC jerseys (I still love the famous one of Snoop Dog wearing one) or been seen at football and basketball games.

Notre Dame also seems to have a huge number of subway alumni which I find really cool. I’ve meet many people who said they grew up a Notre Dame fan but didn’t end up going there (maybe couldn’t get in, don’t know). When you have love for a school that extends outside of people who went there I think it says a lot about the school spirit. You don’t see that with many other schools.

It’s called being a devout Catholic in the case of Notre Dame. There are many of them all over the country. All large state universities with good sports teams have significant fan bases, in their regions. Very few schools have a true national appeal. Look at tv viewership rankings for college football and to a lesser extent, basketball.

Really? Then why not other Catholic schools like BC, Villanova and others? And what do you mean by devout? Lots of subway alums who are not "devout Catholics" root for ND.

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Anonymous wrote:UNC, U of TN, A&M, Michigan, Notredame, Ole Miss, Penn State

Although, I think non alum where UNC and Notredame gear, but probably not the same for most other schools.

Yes, you have a whole subset of ND subway alum who never attended, but love the school.

NP here. UNC and Notre Dame are two schools that immediately come to mind that have significant fan bases that are not alumni of each individual school.

Michael Jordan and Nike sure have helped UNC’s image stay popular over the decades. I see plenty of my DC’s teen peers in Carolina gear and I know neither of the parents went to school there. The Air Jordan 1s in the University color (which is Carolina blue) is among the most coveted editions (I have a sneaker head teen). Many celebrities over the year have been photographed in UNC jerseys (I still love the famous one of Snoop Dog wearing one) or been seen at football and basketball games.

Notre Dame also seems to have a huge number of subway alumni which I find really cool. I’ve meet many people who said they grew up a Notre Dame fan but didn’t end up going there (maybe couldn’t get in, don’t know). When you have love for a school that extends outside of people who went there I think it says a lot about the school spirit. You don’t see that with many other schools.

It’s called being a devout Catholic in the case of Notre Dame. There are many of them all over the country. All large state universities with good sports teams have significant fan bases, in their regions. Very few schools have a true national appeal. Look at tv viewership rankings for college football and to a lesser extent, basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:UNC, U of TN, A&M, Michigan, Notredame, Ole Miss, Penn State

Although, I think non alum where UNC and Notredame gear, but probably not the same for most other schools.

Yes, you have a whole subset of ND subway alum who never attended, but love the school.

NP here. UNC and Notre Dame are two schools that immediately come to mind that have significant fan bases that are not alumni of each individual school.

Michael Jordan and Nike sure have helped UNC’s image stay popular over the decades. I see plenty of my DC’s teen peers in Carolina gear and I know neither of the parents went to school there. The Air Jordan 1s in the University color (which is Carolina blue) is among the most coveted editions (I have a sneaker head teen). Many celebrities over the year have been photographed in UNC jerseys (I still love the famous one of Snoop Dog wearing one) or been seen at football and basketball games.

Notre Dame also seems to have a huge number of subway alumni which I find really cool. I’ve meet many people who said they grew up a Notre Dame fan but didn’t end up going there (maybe couldn’t get in, don’t know). When you have love for a school that extends outside of people who went there I think it says a lot about the school spirit. You don’t see that with many other schools.

It’s called being a devout Catholic in the case of Notre Dame. There are many of them all over the country. All large state universities with good sports teams have significant fan bases, in their regions. Very few schools have a true national appeal. Look at tv viewership rankings for college football and to a lesser extent, basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:UNC, U of TN, A&M, Michigan, Notredame, Ole Miss, Penn State

Although, I think non alum where UNC and Notredame gear, but probably not the same for most other schools.

Yes, you have a whole subset of ND subway alum who never attended, but love the school.

NP here. UNC and Notre Dame are two schools that immediately come to mind that have significant fan bases that are not alumni of each individual school.

Michael Jordan and Nike sure have helped UNC’s image stay popular over the decades. I see plenty of my DC’s teen peers in Carolina gear and I know neither of the parents went to school there. The Air Jordan 1s in the University color (which is Carolina blue) is among the most coveted editions (I have a sneaker head teen). Many celebrities over the year have been photographed in UNC jerseys (I still love the famous one of Snoop Dog wearing one) or been seen at football and basketball games.

Notre Dame also seems to have a huge number of subway alumni which I find really cool. I’ve meet many people who said they grew up a Notre Dame fan but didn’t end up going there (maybe couldn’t get in, don’t know). When you have love for a school that extends outside of people who went there I think it says a lot about the school spirit. You don’t see that with many other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:UNC, U of TN, A&M, Michigan, Notredame, Ole Miss, Penn State

Although, I think non alum where UNC and Notredame gear, but probably not the same for most other schools.

Yes, you have a whole subset of ND subway alum who never attended, but love the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Which pair of schools have more school spirit?

- Princeton and Dartmouth
- Michigan and Alabama

Let’s frame it as school affection, not rah-rah spirit. In that case, I would say Princeton and Dartmouth. A measure? Alumni giving. Engaged, happy, and loyal students give back to their school. Another measure? Legacy applications. A lot of Ivy legacies want their kids to apply to their school.

I posted the earlier response. Just following up with some numbers. USNWR claims that Princeton has the number one two-year alumni giving rate, which is 55%. Dartmouth is ninth at 44%. The average college rate is 8%.

William and Mary has the highest alumni giving rate among public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You can find a ranking online for anything.

https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/15-colleges-with-the-most-school-spirit/2600/

USC
Alabama
Michigan
Penn State
LSU
University of Florida
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Stanford
University of TX at Austin
Indiana
Auburn
UCLA
Oregon State
Naval Academy

There are a million of these lists and they all look different. Here's another one:

https://www.collegemagazine.com/10-colleges-most-school-spirit/

10. Missouri
9. Michigan State
8. University of Louisville
7. Indiana
6. Kansas
5. Stanford
4. University of Dayton
3. Alabama
2. Florida
1. Ohio State

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Anonymous wrote:School spirit isn’t measured by how many people show up at a football game or some such nonsense but by the percent of alums who donate to their alma mater. By that metric none of the top schools are big state U but rather schools like Wellesley as the PP pointed out (ranked 10th I believe), Princeton, Williams, etc.

You can’t make that comparison without controlling for the wealth of the graduates.

Because donating $10 a year would financially cripple a state U grad? Not a great endorsement for the quality of education received.

You really think it's coincidence that the schools you mentioned are all known for attracting old money, uber-wealthy families? The wealthy somehow have more spirit?

Academic research has shown that alumni giving is correlated with positive undergraduate experience.

Title: Alumni Satisfaction with Their Undergraduate Academic Experience and the Impact on Alumni Giving and Participation

Findings: "Results from this research indicated that there were significant increases in both alumni giving and alumni participation based on the degree of alumni satisfaction with the undergraduate academic experience. As alumni satisfaction increased so did the odds of alumni giving and alumni participation. Thus alumni who are satisfied with their academic experience are more likely to be involved (i.e., give and/or participate) with the university than those alumni who are not as satisfied with their academic experience."

Link: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1057/palgrave.ijea.2140220.pdf


Title: Patterns of giving to one’s alma mater among young graduates from selective institutions

Conclusion: "The single biggest determinant of the generosity of alumni donations is satisfaction with one’s undergraduate experience."

Link:http://theunbrokenwindow.com/Higher%20Ed/Readings/Monks%20EER%20Young%20Gifts.pdf

Not denying that there's a relationship, but wealth is not irrelevant. Controlling for it would yield more interesting results.

Anonymous wrote:And here's another ranking based on alumni giving. https://www.forbes.com/sites/annacorradi/2019/08/15/grateful-grads-2019-follow-alumni-love-and-money-into-the-best-colleges/?sh=63c6636ca269

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth