It’s almost like race is a social construct that changes over time and cultures.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. However, the Nazis treated Jews as inferior to the Aryan race, which is a racial concept the Nazi's falsely promoted to the Germans to denigrate Jews and other non-Aryans. I am Jewish, and I am bothered by people who refer to Jews as another race--we're not and that's a holdover from Nazi Germany that doesn't belong in modern rhetoric. I think Whoopi's thoughts sounded better in her head than coming out of her mouth, but she shouldn't have said what she said because from the Nazi's perspective, Jews were a race and their intent was to get rid of them--this wasn't a white on white thing, so she's wrong.

Also, people who waltz around saying "well the Nazis killed other people too" are the same people who say all lives matter and I'm done with it. The Holocaust was a systematic effort to exterminate the Jewish people. That was its primary purpose and yes the Nazis did kill others that did not fit into their Aryan race, but that wasn't why they came up with the final solution. the final solution was the rid the earth of Jews and they did a pretty good job of nearly succeeding.

I find the whole thing interesting because it shows how for the progressive left everything's been reduced to race without acknowledging the nuances within race. No one talks about the enormous disparities among white groups (and among all other racial groups too). Factors like class, religion, ethnicity, and tribalism have been used to systematically oppress people for centuries and millennia, including with brutal cost to human life, in every single society and race. But for the progressive left, to acknowledge all these other crimes of humanity only makes the intense focus on race disparity much more complicated and murky rather than a Manichean white versus black.

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Anonymous wrote:Shes not sorry. She was adamant about her belief and said what she said. Only apologizing so she doesn't get canceled.

I think it’s absurd for her to apologize because Jewish isn’t a race.

I think it's absurb that you refuse to be illuminated and see that it's not cut and dry like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I was taught in history class in school that Nazis believed in a master aryan race, and that it was a sort of made up race judged by hair color and eye color. Thus, they certainly constituted "white supremacists."

And they killed 6m Jewish people in concentration camps, by far the majority of victims.

My guess is Whoopi was viewing the history through a lens of what SHE considers to be "white" people today. But she should have considered the history better and not made the comment. It was very inappropriate to me as it seemed to downplay the horror of the holocaust.

Nope.

Was there another group constituting 6m people who were murdered? Nope.

You may be thinking in the aggregate - the total of all other people.

Dp here. The statement wasn’t that there was another group of people that large, it was that the 6 million Jews killed were by far the majority of those killed. Generally speaking, there an understanding that approximately 12 million people died in the Holocaust, so while Jews were the largest targeted group, they were not necessarily the “vast majority” of its victims.

The 6m +6m = 12m fact speaks for itself. you can spin it, rank it, reframe it, deny it, lie about it, exaggerate it, argue that half of a number is a majority, whatever you want, that’s on you.

So 6 million christians were also killed.

Yes, an almost equal number of Jews and non-Jews were killed.

But the point is that the Holocaust was a stated campaign to exterminate all Jews from the earth, and the Nazi's were successful enough to wipe out ONE THIRD of all living Jews on the planet.

There was no such campaign to eliminate Christians as a group or inferior race.

Do you understand now? Or do you need some book and documentary suggestions?

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Then how are people able to convert?

They’re not true Jews, jokes on them. No Jewish mother blood, not Jewish. Duh.

Huh. Interesting take. I guess the joke is on Ruth too, huh? Not to mention Batya, Jethro . . .

My guess is you know very little of Torah, or Judaism at all, otherwise you would not make such a statement.

All branches of Judaism -- from Orthodox to the most reform, accept converts.

Friendly reminder that this woman's name is Caryn Elaine Johnson, and she appropriated the Jewish name 'Goldberg' in order to get stand up comedy gigs sight unseen in the 80s.

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Now that's funny

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Anonymous wrote:I feel if my dna can identify me as Jewish it’s not just a religion.

Then how are people able to convert?

They’re not true Jews, jokes on them. No Jewish mother blood, not Jewish. Duh.

I’ll be sure to tell my friend who converted for her husband and who plan to raise their children in the faith. Converting isn’t real since it’s not a religion and instead a race

Well I have a white friend who married an African American and raise their children in the African American culture (Kwanzaa, etc). That happens all the time with different races. It's called an interracial relationship.

I’m African American aka black and Kwanzaa isn’t part of my culture or any black people I know.

A made up holiday

Kind of like "indigenous people day"? They all came from Eurasia from a land bridge during the ice age. Before that all humans came from Africa.

All holidays are “made up”.

You would think everyone would not talk about the Holocaust, or Nazis in regards to anything political. Idiots that bring that up during elections, and stupid talk show hosts like Whoopi are beyond help imo. Keep the past in the history books because it's time everyone move on. Just like the people today are not responsible for anything past ancestors did. Nor are they entitled to anything either!

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Anonymous wrote:I feel if my dna can identify me as Jewish it’s not just a religion.

Then how are people able to convert?

They’re not true Jews, jokes on them. No Jewish mother blood, not Jewish. Duh.

I’ll be sure to tell my friend who converted for her husband and who plan to raise their children in the faith. Converting isn’t real since it’s not a religion and instead a race

Well I have a white friend who married an African American and raise their children in the African American culture (Kwanzaa, etc). That happens all the time with different races. It's called an interracial relationship.

I’m African American aka black and Kwanzaa isn’t part of my culture or any black people I know.

A made up holiday

Kind of like "indigenous people day"? They all came from Eurasia from a land bridge during the ice age. Before that all humans came from Africa.

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Anonymous wrote:When we assess the Holocaust we have to consider the Nazi ideology that was behind it - not what people you run into today think or what the standards of America in 2022 are.

THIS x1000. Regardless of whether being Jewish is a race, the Nazis viewed it as a race. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/victims-of-the-nazi-era-nazi-racial-ideology

It was racially motivated genocide. It was about race.

Remember--race is a construct. The Nazis constructed a Jewish race just as America racism constructs a black race (see Caste by Isabel Wilkerson).

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"While it classified Jews as the priority “enemy,” the Nazi ideological concept of race targeted other groups for persecution, imprisonment, and annihilation. These groups included Roma (Gypsies), people with disabilities, Poles, Soviet prisoners of war, and Afro-Germans. The Nazis also identified political dissidents, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and so-called asocials as enemies and security risks either because they consciously opposed the Nazi regime or some aspect of their behavior did not fit Nazi perceptions of social norms."

It was about Race--the Nazi version of "Race".

DP.. it was an "ethnic cleansing", not a "racial cleansing'. Ethnicity <> race.

PP here.. you are right though, the Nazis considered Jews as a race.

Sharon Osborne was ousted. She said nothing racist, or inappropriate. She simply acknowledged it was pierces opinion that M.M. was lying. And he was entitled to his opinion. As it was during that Oprah interview M.M. was called out on various lies. Which imo vindicated him.

This is 10x worse. However, it is always up to the network, and The view sucks as it is. They are probably enjoying a ratings boost and was probably pre-planned.

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Anonymous wrote:I was taught in history class in school that Nazis believed in a master aryan race, and that it was a sort of made up race judged by hair color and eye color. Thus, they certainly constituted "white supremacists."

And they killed 6m Jewish people in concentration camps, by far the majority of victims.

My guess is Whoopi was viewing the history through a lens of what SHE considers to be "white" people today. But she should have considered the history better and not made the comment. It was very inappropriate to me as it seemed to downplay the horror of the holocaust.

Nope.

Was there another group constituting 6m people who were murdered? Nope.

You may be thinking in the aggregate - the total of all other people.

Dp here. The statement wasn’t that there was another group of people that large, it was that the 6 million Jews killed were by far the majority of those killed. Generally speaking, there an understanding that approximately 12 million people died in the Holocaust, so while Jews were the largest targeted group, they were not necessarily the “vast majority” of its victims.

The 6m +6m = 12m fact speaks for itself. you can spin it, rank it, reframe it, deny it, lie about it, exaggerate it, argue that half of a number is a majority, whatever you want, that’s on you.

So 6 million christians were also killed.

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Anonymous wrote:When we assess the Holocaust we have to consider the Nazi ideology that was behind it - not what people you run into today think or what the standards of America in 2022 are.

THIS x1000. Regardless of whether being Jewish is a race, the Nazis viewed it as a race. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/victims-of-the-nazi-era-nazi-racial-ideology

It was racially motivated genocide. It was about race.

Remember--race is a construct. The Nazis constructed a Jewish race just as America racism constructs a black race (see Caste by Isabel Wilkerson).

See the following in the link:

"While it classified Jews as the priority “enemy,” the Nazi ideological concept of race targeted other groups for persecution, imprisonment, and annihilation. These groups included Roma (Gypsies), people with disabilities, Poles, Soviet prisoners of war, and Afro-Germans. The Nazis also identified political dissidents, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and so-called asocials as enemies and security risks either because they consciously opposed the Nazi regime or some aspect of their behavior did not fit Nazi perceptions of social norms."

It was about Race--the Nazi version of "Race".

DP.. it was an "ethnic cleansing", not a "racial cleansing'. Ethnicity <> race.