Anonymous
01/24/2022 15:35
Subject: Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
I've read a decent amount about the hostility higher ed has toward male applicants and, honestly, though much of it was overblown.
I've started to change my view.
The fact that 60% of the applicants are female (noted upthread) and that so many SLACs lean heavily female highlights that *something significant* is happening with males.
I've started to change my view.
The fact that 60% of the applicants are female (noted upthread) and that so many SLACs lean heavily female highlights that *something significant* is happening with males.
Anonymous
01/24/2022 15:26
Subject: Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
It should be. My DD didn’t think a whole lot about it. Now she’s a freshman at a female-lopsided SLAC where the hook-up culture is out of control and even the dorkiest guys get hot girls. Forget about finding a boyfriend in that environment.
Anonymous
01/24/2022 14:38
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:keep in mind that women make up ~60% of college students overall now
Why such a gap? Is this because women don’t want to be plumbers or truckers or soldiers so they are naturally over represented at college?
In part. But that has always been the case. More to do with boys not going to college and not doing a trade but really dropping out or off of life. Big trend and not good.
I don’t think this is accurate. Male college enrolment has been increasing but much slower than female. Both seem to level off in recent years.
+1 The percent of both male and female enrolling in college has been fairly steadily increasing for decades, but it's just that female enrollment increased at a slightly higher rate. The pandemic disrupted college enrollment trends though. Also, starting in the next year or so, we're going to start to see more shrinking of the college age population so overall numbers will be lower--so it's important to keep in mind the difference between percent enrolled and total number enrolled if you want to understand the trends.
This makes no sense. The percent of both can't increase. One goes up or one goes down )or stays the same).
Once it was mostly male. By the 1980s it was 50/50. Over the last 20 years the percentage of men have been dropping fast. Not a new or recent trend. Also we are talking percentages. It matters not if the population shrinks. The percentages have been trending bad for a long time.
The percent of males going to college compared to all college-aged males, and the percent of females going to college compared to all college-aged females. Both percentages are increasing, but females are increasing at a higher rate. At the same time, the gross numbers of college-aged people are going down so you have to pay attention to that. This is just added information to the simple comparison of how many males to females in a given year, at a given college, and is an important context to think about.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 22:39
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:I am female and went to a LAC with a skewed ratio 20 years ago. I was worried about this as an incoming freshman, but I ended up having a serious boyfriend for most of my time there. Most of my friends were also in relationships. It really wasn't the problem I feared it would be.
Ironically, I went to grad school somewhere that was skewed the other way and met my husband there. Although the M:F ratio was definitely in my favor, as they said, the odds were good but the goods were odd. I went on a lot of bad dates in grad school with weird CS/engineering students. Finding a good match in undergrad seemed easier.
You can't really know what the M:F ratio is going to do for your dating life.
+1
Same experiences here.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 20:14
Subject: Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is just to discuss odds of meeting a potential partner during undergrad?
It seems like a good place to meet a potential partner. Perhaps better than meeting someone online.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 20:02
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
I am female and went to a LAC with a skewed ratio 20 years ago. I was worried about this as an incoming freshman, but I ended up having a serious boyfriend for most of my time there. Most of my friends were also in relationships. It really wasn't the problem I feared it would be.
Ironically, I went to grad school somewhere that was skewed the other way and met my husband there. Although the M:F ratio was definitely in my favor, as they said, the odds were good but the goods were odd. I went on a lot of bad dates in grad school with weird CS/engineering students. Finding a good match in undergrad seemed easier.
You can't really know what the M:F ratio is going to do for your dating life.
Ironically, I went to grad school somewhere that was skewed the other way and met my husband there. Although the M:F ratio was definitely in my favor, as they said, the odds were good but the goods were odd. I went on a lot of bad dates in grad school with weird CS/engineering students. Finding a good match in undergrad seemed easier.
You can't really know what the M:F ratio is going to do for your dating life.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 19:55
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is JMU still way off kilter?
yes
It’s not really. It’s 42% male. University of Georgia is also 42% male. University of Florida is 43% male and UT Austin is 44%. The fact is there are way fewer men enrolling in colleges; only the very top schools can be assured of being able to get gender balance.
Chicks prefer warmth.
Big10 splits:
Md: 52/48
PSU: 53:47
Michigan: 50/50
Msu: 49/51
Rutgers: 50/50
Ohio state: 50/50
Indiana: 50/50
Uiuc: 54/46
Minnesota: 46/54
Northwestern: 48/52
Iowa: 45/55
Purdue: 57/43
Nebraska: 52/48
Wisco: 48/52
If you're going to do a list like this, please note whether your ratio is M/W or W/M.
It’s m/w
Anonymous
01/23/2022 19:18
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:keep in mind that women make up ~60% of college students overall now
Why such a gap? Is this because women don’t want to be plumbers or truckers or soldiers so they are naturally over represented at college?
In part. But that has always been the case. More to do with boys not going to college and not doing a trade but really dropping out or off of life. Big trend and not good.
I don’t think this is accurate. Male college enrolment has been increasing but much slower than female. Both seem to level off in recent years.
+1 The percent of both male and female enrolling in college has been fairly steadily increasing for decades, but it's just that female enrollment increased at a slightly higher rate. The pandemic disrupted college enrollment trends though. Also, starting in the next year or so, we're going to start to see more shrinking of the college age population so overall numbers will be lower--so it's important to keep in mind the difference between percent enrolled and total number enrolled if you want to understand the trends.
This makes no sense. The percent of both can't increase. One goes up or one goes down )or stays the same).
Once it was mostly male. By the 1980s it was 50/50. Over the last 20 years the percentage of men have been dropping fast. Not a new or recent trend. Also we are talking percentages. It matters not if the population shrinks. The percentages have been trending bad for a long time.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 19:18
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:keep in mind that women make up ~60% of college students overall now
Exactly. Many top schools are realizing that a 50:50 ratio is no longer representative of the college-aged population.
Here are some ratios for class of 2025 (M/F)
Yale: 45/55
Penn: 46/54
Duke: 45/55
Harvard: 47/53
Princeton: 49/51
Amherst: 44/56
Interesting. Didn't someone a few pages back claim that the "best" LACs all have a 50/50 ratio? Guess not.
Amherst was weird this year. Their CDS for this year shows they admitted 727 women out of 7824 applicants (9.3%), and 497 men out of 6175 (8%). 289 women enrolled (39.8% yield) vs 225 men (45.2% yield)
The year before, by comparison:
687 women admitted out of 5785 (11.9%), 567 men admitted out of 4818 (11.7%), 215 men enrolled (37.9%), 219 women enrolled (31.8%).
I'm guessing they were anticipating a low yield among females again, so they overshot admitting them only to find out the gap shrunk.
Amherst does not care about M/F. Only cares about not being majority white.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 19:01
Subject: Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is far more than LACs that lack gender balance. UNC-CH entering class was 61% female, 39% male.
Ucla is 64/36
UCLA is 65/35 for most recent class.
58 to 59 percent female. 41 percent male
Anonymous
01/23/2022 18:36
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:keep in mind that women make up ~60% of college students overall now
Exactly. Many top schools are realizing that a 50:50 ratio is no longer representative of the college-aged population.
Here are some ratios for class of 2025 (M/F)
Yale: 45/55
Penn: 46/54
Duke: 45/55
Harvard: 47/53
Princeton: 49/51
Amherst: 44/56
Interesting. Didn't someone a few pages back claim that the "best" LACs all have a 50/50 ratio? Guess not.
Amherst was weird this year. Their CDS for this year shows they admitted 727 women out of 7824 applicants (9.3%), and 497 men out of 6175 (8%). 289 women enrolled (39.8% yield) vs 225 men (45.2% yield)
The year before, by comparison:
687 women admitted out of 5785 (11.9%), 567 men admitted out of 4818 (11.7%), 215 men enrolled (37.9%), 219 women enrolled (31.8%).
I'm guessing they were anticipating a low yield among females again, so they overshot admitting them only to find out the gap shrunk.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 16:27
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is JMU still way off kilter?
yes
It’s not really. It’s 42% male. University of Georgia is also 42% male. University of Florida is 43% male and UT Austin is 44%. The fact is there are way fewer men enrolling in colleges; only the very top schools can be assured of being able to get gender balance.
Chicks prefer warmth.
Big10 splits:
Md: 52/48
PSU: 53:47
Michigan: 50/50
Msu: 49/51
Rutgers: 50/50
Ohio state: 50/50
Indiana: 50/50
Uiuc: 54/46
Minnesota: 46/54
Northwestern: 48/52
Iowa: 45/55
Purdue: 57/43
Nebraska: 52/48
Wisco: 48/52
If you're going to do a list like this, please note whether your ratio is M/W or W/M.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 16:26
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:keep in mind that women make up ~60% of college students overall now
Exactly. Many top schools are realizing that a 50:50 ratio is no longer representative of the college-aged population.
Here are some ratios for class of 2025 (M/F)
Yale: 45/55
Penn: 46/54
Duke: 45/55
Harvard: 47/53
Princeton: 49/51
Amherst: 44/56
Interesting. Didn't someone a few pages back claim that the "best" LACs all have a 50/50 ratio? Guess not.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 16:18
Subject: Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is far more than LACs that lack gender balance. UNC-CH entering class was 61% female, 39% male.
Ucla is 64/36
UCLA is 65/35 for most recent class.
Anonymous
01/23/2022 16:13
Subject: Re:Is the boy:girl ratio at the liberal arts colleges a deterrent at all?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:keep in mind that women make up ~60% of college students overall now
Exactly. Many top schools are realizing that a 50:50 ratio is no longer representative of the college-aged population.
Here are some ratios for class of 2025 (M/F)
Yale: 45/55
Penn: 46/54
Duke: 45/55
Harvard: 47/53
Princeton: 49/51
Amherst: 44/56
There are simply more qualified females applying. These schools used to try to maintain 50/50, and before that, they had majority male. These are schools that lobbied to keep private schools out of Title IX for undergraduate admission.