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Why is anyone against an ID requirement??

They are lazy and racist. Everytime this comes up they claim the inconvenience too great and POC can't handle obtaining documents like birth certificates. The DMV gives you a checklist of docs you need, it's really quite simple

I’m not old or poor and it has been a huge PITA for me.

The GOP is pretty transparent about its effort to disenfranchise D voters across the board. They realize they can only win by taking away votes from eligible voters. And throwing away results they don’t like.

I guess it is a PITA to go online to request a copy of your birth certificate and marriage license. Previous generations were able to handle 3-4 hour in-person waits managing to get ID without even the internet. But I hope you understand not everyone, especially POC, have the same issues you seem to have with following directions.

The process is a huge PITA for everyone.
What if you don’t have unexpired US passport or US birth certificate?
(I didn’t have a valid drivers license & 2 additional forms of ID to get my certified birth certificate from my birth state. And once I sorted that out it took 3 months because of the backlog.)
What if you’re not on a lease/mortgage/utility?
What if you changed your name?

It’s a bit circular. If you don’t have a valid ID it’s very difficult to a REAL ID.

Here’s what you need for REAL ID:
Bring one from this category:
e.g., unexpired U.S. passport or U.S. birth certificate

Bring one from this category:
e.g., Social Security card or W-2 form displaying full number; Note: You will not be required to present proof of your Social Security number if you know the number and DMV is able to electronically verify it.

Bring two from this category:
e.g., valid Virginia driver’s license, recent utility bills, mortgage statement, or rental lease agreements displaying current residential street address, not a P.O. Box. Note: You may redact (blackout/whiteout) sensitive financial information.

Name changes:
If your name appears differently on your proof documents, you will be asked to present additional documentation to connect the names, such as a marriage certificate filed with a government agency or court, divorce decree, or court order. Note: Marriage licenses, civil union documents, and marriage certificates signed only by the wedding officiant (for example, a member of the clergy) will NOT be accepted. See REAL ID FAQs for more information.

You had an expired driver's license? As I said, don't project your own lack of basic organizational skills onto POC. People always manage to get their required ID.

I was planning to get a REAL ID in spring 2020. My license was still valid at that point. Then, DMVs were closed for a while. I was super busy juggling young kids at home with virtual school and work. Then it was impossible to get an appt at a DMV. Then I realized my license had expired and I had to get more documents. Delays getting birth cert from home state. Etc. It’s all a huge PITA.

I’ve NEVER said anything about POC. Not sure why you are harping on that.

I think it’s an issue for people who work, aren’t on the lease, IDs expired, not born in US, don’t have access to records or computer, elderly, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should fund the distribution of AR-15s to black men and bus them into white suburbs to open carry.

I see the at the local range in my suburban neighborhood. So what?

You have a shooting range in your suburban neighborhood?

I live in Bowie. Our club range is within the city of Bowie. Last I checked, Bowie is a prototypical suburban neighborhood.

Bowie is a city, not a neighborhood.

Why are you posting on a VA thread?

Because I also own a little farm in Vint Hill. Youngkin is my Governor too!

You asked about shooting ranges existing in suburban neighborhoods. You got an answer you clearly didn’t like. And then you got an attitude.

That shooting range isn’t in a neighborhood.

Really?

There’s a private Montessori school on the same street, and probably 500-700 single family homes within one mile.

That’s not a suburban neighborhood?

Do tell.

The one off of a divided highway?

It’s not far from a neighborhood, but it’s not *in* a neighborhood.

You should probably check the air pressure on the tires underneath your goal posts. Looks like you’re having some trouble moving them.

Ok. Have fun shooting “in the neighborhood”. Wink wink.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should fund the distribution of AR-15s to black men and bus them into white suburbs to open carry.

I see the at the local range in my suburban neighborhood. So what?

You have a shooting range in your suburban neighborhood?

I live in Bowie. Our club range is within the city of Bowie. Last I checked, Bowie is a prototypical suburban neighborhood.

Bowie is a city, not a neighborhood.

Why are you posting on a VA thread?

Because I also own a little farm in Vint Hill. Youngkin is my Governor too!

You asked about shooting ranges existing in suburban neighborhoods. You got an answer you clearly didn’t like. And then you got an attitude.

That shooting range isn’t in a neighborhood.

Really?

There’s a private Montessori school on the same street, and probably 500-700 single family homes within one mile.

That’s not a suburban neighborhood?

Do tell.

The one off of a divided highway?

It’s not far from a neighborhood, but it’s not *in* a neighborhood.

You should probably check the air pressure on the tires underneath your goal posts. Looks like you’re having some trouble moving them.

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Why is anyone against an ID requirement??

They are lazy and racist. Everytime this comes up they claim the inconvenience too great and POC can't handle obtaining documents like birth certificates. The DMV gives you a checklist of docs you need, it's really quite simple

I’m not old or poor and it has been a huge PITA for me.

The GOP is pretty transparent about its effort to disenfranchise D voters across the board. They realize they can only win by taking away votes from eligible voters. And throwing away results they don’t like.

I guess it is a PITA to go online to request a copy of your birth certificate and marriage license. Previous generations were able to handle 3-4 hour in-person waits managing to get ID without even the internet. But I hope you understand not everyone, especially POC, have the same issues you seem to have with following directions.

The process is a huge PITA for everyone.
What if you don’t have unexpired US passport or US birth certificate?
(I didn’t have a valid drivers license & 2 additional forms of ID to get my certified birth certificate from my birth state. And once I sorted that out it took 3 months because of the backlog.)
What if you’re not on a lease/mortgage/utility?
What if you changed your name?

It’s a bit circular. If you don’t have a valid ID it’s very difficult to a REAL ID.

Here’s what you need for REAL ID:
Bring one from this category:
e.g., unexpired U.S. passport or U.S. birth certificate

Bring one from this category:
e.g., Social Security card or W-2 form displaying full number; Note: You will not be required to present proof of your Social Security number if you know the number and DMV is able to electronically verify it.

Bring two from this category:
e.g., valid Virginia driver’s license, recent utility bills, mortgage statement, or rental lease agreements displaying current residential street address, not a P.O. Box. Note: You may redact (blackout/whiteout) sensitive financial information.

Name changes:
If your name appears differently on your proof documents, you will be asked to present additional documentation to connect the names, such as a marriage certificate filed with a government agency or court, divorce decree, or court order. Note: Marriage licenses, civil union documents, and marriage certificates signed only by the wedding officiant (for example, a member of the clergy) will NOT be accepted. See REAL ID FAQs for more information.

You had an expired driver's license? As I said, don't project your own lack of basic organizational skills onto POC. People always manage to get their required ID.

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Why is anyone against an ID requirement??

They are lazy and racist. Everytime this comes up they claim the inconvenience too great and POC can't handle obtaining documents like birth certificates. The DMV gives you a checklist of docs you need, it's really quite simple

I’m not old or poor and it has been a huge PITA for me.

The GOP is pretty transparent about its effort to disenfranchise D voters across the board. They realize they can only win by taking away votes from eligible voters. And throwing away results they don’t like.

I guess it is a PITA to go online to request a copy of your birth certificate and marriage license. Previous generations were able to handle 3-4 hour in-person waits managing to get ID without even the internet. But I hope you understand not everyone, especially POC, have the same issues you seem to have with following directions.

The process is a huge PITA for everyone.
What if you don’t have unexpired US passport or US birth certificate?
(I didn’t have a valid drivers license & 2 additional forms of ID to get my certified birth certificate from my birth state. And once I sorted that out it took 3 months because of the backlog.)
What if you’re not on a lease/mortgage/utility?
What if you changed your name?

It’s a bit circular. If you don’t have a valid ID it’s very difficult to a REAL ID.

Here’s what you need for REAL ID:
Bring one from this category:
e.g., unexpired U.S. passport or U.S. birth certificate

Bring one from this category:
e.g., Social Security card or W-2 form displaying full number; Note: You will not be required to present proof of your Social Security number if you know the number and DMV is able to electronically verify it.

Bring two from this category:
e.g., valid Virginia driver’s license, recent utility bills, mortgage statement, or rental lease agreements displaying current residential street address, not a P.O. Box. Note: You may redact (blackout/whiteout) sensitive financial information.

Name changes:
If your name appears differently on your proof documents, you will be asked to present additional documentation to connect the names, such as a marriage certificate filed with a government agency or court, divorce decree, or court order. Note: Marriage licenses, civil union documents, and marriage certificates signed only by the wedding officiant (for example, a member of the clergy) will NOT be accepted. See REAL ID FAQs for more information.

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Why is anyone against an ID requirement??

They are lazy and racist. Everytime this comes up they claim the inconvenience too great and POC can't handle obtaining documents like birth certificates. The DMV gives you a checklist of docs you need, it's really quite simple

I’m not old or poor and it has been a huge PITA for me.

The GOP is pretty transparent about its effort to disenfranchise D voters across the board. They realize they can only win by taking away votes from eligible voters. And throwing away results they don’t like.

I guess it is a PITA to go online to request a copy of your birth certificate and marriage license. Previous generations were able to handle 3-4 hour in-person waits managing to get ID without even the internet. But I hope you understand not everyone, especially POC, have the same issues you seem to have with following directions.

That was a drivers license. I know it is hard for someone like yourself to understand the difference between a drivers license and a National ID? There is no voting fraud but because of people like you we need to reinvent a system that is working fine. It makes it harder to vote. The only reason you want for making it harder to vote is to suppress the vote. Conservatives just want to rule by dictate.

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Anonymous wrote:To the person complaining that it takes way too much time and effort to get a license renewed - yes, it does. But you acting like it’s some kind of impossible task only makes people take you even less seriously.

Everyone needs a state-issued ID. Everyone dreads the DMV. Doesn’t really matter. Quit complaining and do what needs to be done.

I’m just pointing out that it’s not a trivial task. Especially the Real ID.

And I am lucky enough to have a car & money. And I can track down the various documents required for the Real ID. And while it’s a pain to schedule time off of work I can get time off of work. It’s possibly an extremely challenging task for some people.

Also, I haven’t had a valid ID in almost 2 years. You don’t “need” a valid gov’t ID.

Interesting. I guess you never see the doctor? Buy alcohol? Rent a car? Board a plane? Stay at hotels?

Not in the last 2 years.

My passport is expired too.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should fund the distribution of AR-15s to black men and bus them into white suburbs to open carry.

I see the at the local range in my suburban neighborhood. So what?

You have a shooting range in your suburban neighborhood?

I live in Bowie. Our club range is within the city of Bowie. Last I checked, Bowie is a prototypical suburban neighborhood.

Bowie is a city, not a neighborhood.

Why are you posting on a VA thread?

Because I also own a little farm in Vint Hill. Youngkin is my Governor too!

You asked about shooting ranges existing in suburban neighborhoods. You got an answer you clearly didn’t like. And then you got an attitude.

That shooting range isn’t in a neighborhood.

Really?

There’s a private Montessori school on the same street, and probably 500-700 single family homes within one mile.

That’s not a suburban neighborhood?

Do tell.

The one off of a divided highway?

It’s not far from a neighborhood, but it’s not *in* a neighborhood.

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Why is anyone against an ID requirement??

Why is anyone against early voting?

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Anonymous wrote:Until very recently we had to show ID to vote in VA. Most people still do it anyway. https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/08/23/virginians-dont-have-to-show-id-to-vote-anymore-data-shows-almost-everyone-still-does/

I turned 18 in 1999 and voted my first two elections by absentee ballot in Europe. I was SHOCKED when I came back to the U.S. and voted in person for the first time in 2008 and just had to give my name and address while some old lady checked it off on a printed piece of paper. I literally asked her how she knows I'm me and she was like "we just believe you." lmao. Ridiculous

I have always been required to show ID when voting in VA. Happy to do so.
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You must not have voted in many elections. It was fairly brief window when VA had a voter id requirement.

I’m in my 50s - plenty of elections under my belt, thanks! I have always been asked to provide ID. Not sure where you’ve been voting…

Virginia’s photo id law only went into effect in 2013.

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Why is anyone against an ID requirement??

They are lazy and racist. Everytime this comes up they claim the inconvenience too great and POC can't handle obtaining documents like birth certificates. The DMV gives you a checklist of docs you need, it's really quite simple

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Anonymous wrote:Until very recently we had to show ID to vote in VA. Most people still do it anyway. https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/08/23/virginians-dont-have-to-show-id-to-vote-anymore-data-shows-almost-everyone-still-does/

I turned 18 in 1999 and voted my first two elections by absentee ballot in Europe. I was SHOCKED when I came back to the U.S. and voted in person for the first time in 2008 and just had to give my name and address while some old lady checked it off on a printed piece of paper. I literally asked her how she knows I'm me and she was like "we just believe you." lmao. Ridiculous

I have always been required to show ID when voting in VA. Happy to do so.
DP

You must not have voted in many elections. It was fairly brief window when VA had a voter id requirement.

I’m in my 50s - plenty of elections under my belt, thanks! I have always been asked to provide ID. Not sure where you’ve been voting…

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should fund the distribution of AR-15s to black men and bus them into white suburbs to open carry.

I have zero problem with this. I love talking guns with other gun people. They can hang out at my place and we’ll order pizza and talk about about various upgrades and accessories!

See, unlike you, I’m not afraid of seeing black guys with guns. You obviously think that’s something to fear.

The NRA was once strongly in favor of gun control because of black people open carrying.

You are an anomaly. The vast majority of your like-minded gun fetishists would freak out if this happened and you know it.

My distaste for open carry has nothing to do with skin color. This is America, not Somalia or Afghanistan. Stop trying to make us look like a lawless jurisdiction by arming legends in their own mind with weapons of mass destruction.

I wouldn’t know, I’ve never been an NRA member. I’m a JPFO, GOA and SAF member.

Go to the gun show in Chantilly sometime and you’ll see plenty of my “like minded gun fetishists” walking the show aisles right next to black guys doing the same exact thing. Gun culture doesn’t care what color you are.

That’s what’s keeping your tiny, hateful racist mind from processing it. You simply don’t understand your enemy. You only understand the cliches you parrot.


But we definitely understand you.

+100
Amazing how true racists are constantly projecting.

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Anonymous wrote:Until very recently we had to show ID to vote in VA. Most people still do it anyway. https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/08/23/virginians-dont-have-to-show-id-to-vote-anymore-data-shows-almost-everyone-still-does/

I turned 18 in 1999 and voted my first two elections by absentee ballot in Europe. I was SHOCKED when I came back to the U.S. and voted in person for the first time in 2008 and just had to give my name and address while some old lady checked it off on a printed piece of paper. I literally asked her how she knows I'm me and she was like "we just believe you." lmao. Ridiculous

I have always been required to show ID when voting in VA. Happy to do so.
DP

You must not have voted in many elections. It was fairly brief window when VA had a voter id requirement.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone should fund the distribution of AR-15s to black men and bus them into white suburbs to open carry.

I see the at the local range in my suburban neighborhood. So what?

You have a shooting range in your suburban neighborhood?

I live in Bowie. Our club range is within the city of Bowie. Last I checked, Bowie is a prototypical suburban neighborhood.

Bowie is a city, not a neighborhood.

Why are you posting on a VA thread?

Because I also own a little farm in Vint Hill. Youngkin is my Governor too!

You asked about shooting ranges existing in suburban neighborhoods. You got an answer you clearly didn’t like. And then you got an attitude.

That shooting range isn’t in a neighborhood.

Really?

There’s a private Montessori school on the same street, and probably 500-700 single family homes within one mile.

That’s not a suburban neighborhood?

Do tell.