Anonymous wrote:She spent years capitalizing on the images of other races. When she first hit the radio (I didn't know her from Disney, too old) I thought she was latinx heritage. Then she gradually morphed into a black or mixed facade and I was like WTF. Now this. K pop is the new wave, J pop hasn't quite gained as much traction, but either way she's just latching into a new identity. I don't understand how anyone thinks this is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:I ask this seriously, but who cares if she decides to portray herself as Asian now? Or if she previously portrayed herself as Latina? Why is it so bad? Why can one portray themselves as a different gender but not a different ethnicity? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct but not gender?

Please ask this question online under your real name. You will get some answers.

Why can't anyone answer my question?

Here’s an answer to your disingenuous question that you’re trying to use to call out transgenderism: it’s not okay to pretend to be another race.

It's not a disingenuous question that I'm using to call out transgenderism. Why is it not okay to pretend to be another race? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct? Why is it not okay to experiment this way? What makes it so bad? Why are people so upset by what she is doing?

So just to be clear, you are confused why people have a problem with blackface and the like?

People who put of blackface were not identifying as black people. Completely different.

Playing dress up as a different race? Nah, it’s the same.

Then so is playing dress up as a different gender.

Agree. There is no reason why one is acceptable and one is not. And if there is a good reason, I have yet to hear it.

NP.. I'll bite.

In this case, she is doing this because she admires Kpop and wants to imitate the look.

In the other case, people who do black face do so to make fun of it, not because they "admire" it. They usually do it to get laughs or insult black people. It becomes a caricature.

If she had made herself look like a dorky, nerdy Asian person with really slitty eyes, then she'd be flamed for it. But, that's not what she did here.

IMO, Rachel Doleanz pretending to black is a bit like what Grande did. Doleanz didn't put on "black face" like a caricature, but rather dyed her hair, and got a tan of some kind to appear more like a lighter skinned black person. She likes the look; Grande likes the look. People who don black face don't do it because they like the look.

Anonymous wrote:To answer PP's question on why it's so bad (not quoting that huge chain):

- Transgender isn't about admiring the other gender and dressing like them in homage. It's actually being that gender.

- Admiring an ethnicity doesn't mean you appropriate aspects of the culture. You can admire them without dressing like them.

- Very often things specific to a different ethnicity are frowned upon (rap music, baggy clothes, cornrows) and viewed as low class, "ghetto", used to profile individuals, etc....until a white person deems it acceptable, and then it's okay and appropriate by white people and becomes popular. When those very things should be considered okay regardless of what white people think.

- Often the things white people appropriate are sexualized. Think cornrows on Bo Derek in "10", something that would be unacceptable on a black person is sexy on a (thin, beautiful, heteronormative) white woman.

- Make no mistake, Ariana is doing it as a marketing ploy to capitalize on Kpop success. Same thing with portraying herself as Latina. Latina girls, seeing that she looks like them and has a name like theirs, will be drawn to her and most won't look up her actual ethnicity. So it exposes her to different markets and gets her more fans in a highly unethical way.

- In this same vein, a cis person who portrays themselves as trans *while not actually being trans* in order to gain the benefits is unethical. A male who portrays himself as female not because he's trans, but to gain a benefit, is unethical.

Bottom line, there are many, many, MANY ways to appreciate a culture without appropriating it. If she truly values and admires Kpop, her role should be to promote actual Korean artists, not to try to steal some of the spotlight for herself.

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Anonymous wrote:I ask this seriously, but who cares if she decides to portray herself as Asian now? Or if she previously portrayed herself as Latina? Why is it so bad? Why can one portray themselves as a different gender but not a different ethnicity? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct but not gender?

Please ask this question online under your real name. You will get some answers.

Why can't anyone answer my question?

Here’s an answer to your disingenuous question that you’re trying to use to call out transgenderism: it’s not okay to pretend to be another race.

It's not a disingenuous question that I'm using to call out transgenderism. Why is it not okay to pretend to be another race? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct? Why is it not okay to experiment this way? What makes it so bad? Why are people so upset by what she is doing?

So just to be clear, you are confused why people have a problem with blackface and the like?

People who put of blackface were not identifying as black people. Completely different.

Playing dress up as a different race? Nah, it’s the same.

Then so is playing dress up as a different gender.

Agree. There is no reason why one is acceptable and one is not. And if there is a good reason, I have yet to hear it.

NP.. I'll bite.

In this case, she is doing this because she admires Kpop and wants to imitate the look.

In the other case, people who do black face do so to make fun of it, not because they "admire" it. They usually do it to get laughs or insult black people. It becomes a caricature.

If she had made herself look like a dorky, nerdy Asian person with really slitty eyes, then she'd be flamed for it. But, that's not what she did here.

IMO, Rachel Doleanz pretending to black is a bit like what Grande did. Doleanz didn't put on "black face" like a caricature, but rather dyed her hair, and got a tan of some kind to appear more like a lighter skinned black person. She likes the look; Grande likes the look. People who don black face don't do it because they like the look.

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Anonymous wrote:Oli London is at it again, calling this out.

In a weird way I do think he's bringing attention to this and lots of people have noticed the same thing

He is so disgusting and delusional. Ariana, too. First she tried to look black, and now she wants to look Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I ask this seriously, but who cares if she decides to portray herself as Asian now? Or if she previously portrayed herself as Latina? Why is it so bad? Why can one portray themselves as a different gender but not a different ethnicity? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct but not gender?

Please ask this question online under your real name. You will get some answers.

Why can't anyone answer my question?

Here’s an answer to your disingenuous question that you’re trying to use to call out transgenderism: it’s not okay to pretend to be another race.

It's not a disingenuous question that I'm using to call out transgenderism. Why is it not okay to pretend to be another race? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct? Why is it not okay to experiment this way? What makes it so bad? Why are people so upset by what she is doing?

So just to be clear, you are confused why people have a problem with blackface and the like?

People who put of blackface were not identifying as black people. Completely different.

Playing dress up as a different race? Nah, it’s the same.

Then so is playing dress up as a different gender.

Agree. There is no reason why one is acceptable and one is not. And if there is a good reason, I have yet to hear it.

Anonymous wrote:Koreana Grande...

Anonymous wrote:This board is constantly assuming makeup/filters are plastic surgery. Y’all never learn.

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Anonymous wrote:I ask this seriously, but who cares if she decides to portray herself as Asian now? Or if she previously portrayed herself as Latina? Why is it so bad? Why can one portray themselves as a different gender but not a different ethnicity? What makes ethnicity so sacrosanct but not gender?

Please ask this question online under your real name. You will get some answers.

Why can't anyone answer my question?

Here’s an answer to your disingenuous question that you’re trying to use to call out transgenderism: it’s not okay to pretend to be another race.

NP

I didn’t read it as the PP calling out trandgenderism. It’s a valid question - why is identifying as a different gender ok but identifying as a different race not?

Another NP. I'd like to know too. Amazing how shocking it seems to be.

Anonymous wrote:Oli London is at it again, calling this out.

In a weird way I do think he's bringing attention to this and lots of people have noticed the same thing