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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.

So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:How about a law that gives a parent/guardian of any child who uses a weapon in their house to conduct a mass shooting in a public facility - school, airport, hospital etc - 12 months of incarceration for every individual they shoot.

I'm betting these school shootings would stop then. Those guns would disappear from these households overnight. This kid is 15, there is no way he got a weapon from anyone else but one that was already in his household's possession.

Or instead of elaborate games, you could just, you know, make everything except hunting rifles illegal and have super strict protocol for getting one of those.

Never going to happen.

And 'elaborate games' was fine when introducing felony murders across this country.

Its time to do something about the mass shooting violence. If we'll never get assault weapons outlawed, then we need to target the PURCHASERS of these weapons. If any murder happens with their gun at a public facility - they need to be charged.

Make it so reprehensible to own one of these guns, that they just won't. Or they'll invest in sizable secure facilities like a simple iris or thumb lock for all weapons cases/rooms.

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.

Anonymous wrote:How about a law that gives a parent/guardian of any child who uses a weapon in their house to conduct a mass shooting in a public facility - school, airport, hospital etc - 12 months of incarceration for every individual they shoot.

I'm betting these school shootings would stop then. Those guns would disappear from these households overnight. This kid is 15, there is no way he got a weapon from anyone else but one that was already in his household's possession.

Or instead of elaborate games, you could just, you know, make everything except hunting rifles illegal and have super strict protocol for getting one of those.

I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

I think the one time this happened in Scotland, the UK responded in the way you'd expect a modern nation to respond. We'll probably get looser restrictions on conceal carry so that good guys with a gun can play action hero.

+1 proper gun control = no civilian needs a gun. If you want to shoot, go to a range. Leave it at the range.

Farmers are the only ones in the UK who are allowed to keep certain types of guns. The rest have to leave their guns at the range, where they belong.

The US is too much of a "me me me" culture to protect the public. The rights of the individual to do whatever the F* they want supercedes the rights of the public to be safe. That's also why so many in the US fight the vax mandate.

There is NEVER going to be a national law against guns in the United States. Not with the 2nd A. So why not focus on violence intervention in the communities? Maybe the bake sale moms need to start hosting weekly anti-gun and weapons gatherings with the high school age kids. Teach them there's a better way to solve their problems.

Because that doesn't actually work? As long as someone has relatively easy access to a gun, there is a chance they will solve their problem with a gun.

Anonymous wrote:In summary to this thread, conservatives value gun sales over the lives of children.

Sigh. How do you know this family, this kid, and this father who BOUGHT the gun was conservative?

Re-posting because its really obvious that Oakland County, Michigan is actually one of the only reliably blue counties. Went for HRC in 2016 and Biden in 2020.

Gun purchases are not just a conservative thing. I know plenty of liberals with weapons. Bad parenting bought this gun for this kid. Bad parenting allowed him to throw molotov cocktails in his backyard. Bad parenting let him walk into a school and shoot three bright students dead.

Anonymous wrote:In summary to this thread, conservatives value gun sales over the lives of children.

So is your answer to eliminate all guns? Not sure that would ever fly here. Or how it would even be possible.

In summary to this thread, conservatives value gun sales over the lives of children.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

Extend the felony murder law to include weapons in a shared household.

If a person under your guardianship and residing in your household kills another person in a public building or grounds (hospital, school, post office, airport, military facility) with your gun, you will be charged with felony murder just like they are.

Yup. Hold the owner accountable.

But that’s not really gun control, is it?

Why limit ourselves?

I think we need to get creative and maybe look at a Texas-style law.

Allows private citizens to sue gun owners who don't securely lock up their guns and anyone else who helps the gun owner (other adults in the household, gun store owners who sell to people without proper gun safe). $10k reward.

Oh no I agree 100%. I just hear all these people talking about gun control/reform, and wonder what exactly they are hoping for.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

Extend the felony murder law to include weapons in a shared household.

If a person under your guardianship and residing in your household kills another person in a public building or grounds (hospital, school, post office, airport, military facility) with your gun, you will be charged with felony murder just like they are.

Yup. Hold the owner accountable.

But that’s not really gun control, is it?

Why limit ourselves?

I think we need to get creative and maybe look at a Texas-style law.

Allows private citizens to sue gun owners who don't securely lock up their guns and anyone else who helps the gun owner (other adults in the household, gun store owners who sell to people without proper gun safe). $10k reward.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

Extend the felony murder law to include weapons in a shared household.

If a person under your guardianship and residing in your household kills another person in a public building or grounds (hospital, school, post office, airport, military facility) with your gun, you will be charged with felony murder just like they are.

Yup. Hold the owner accountable.

Locking up the gun buyer/provider for a couple of decades and seeing the victims' families sue the shooter's family for all of their wealth might give the next guy some pause.

Yup.

Maybe we need a Texas-style law to narc out people who don't securely lock up their guns.

Anonymous wrote:His father bought him his own personal gun. For what POSSIBLE reason would you have to buy a 15-year-old a weapon like this? You don't even use it for hunting. Degenerate values.

Is it even legal for a parent to buy a 15 year old a gun?
I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

I think the one time this happened in Scotland, the UK responded in the way you'd expect a modern nation to respond. We'll probably get looser restrictions on conceal carry so that good guys with a gun can play action hero.

+1 proper gun control = no civilian needs a gun. If you want to shoot, go to a range. Leave it at the range.

Farmers are the only ones in the UK who are allowed to keep certain types of guns. The rest have to leave their guns at the range, where they belong.

The US is too much of a "me me me" culture to protect the public. The rights of the individual to do whatever the F* they want supercedes the rights of the public to be safe. That's also why so many in the US fight the vax mandate.

There is NEVER going to be a national law against guns in the United States. Not with the 2nd A. So why not focus on violence intervention in the communities? Maybe the bake sale moms need to start hosting weekly anti-gun and weapons gatherings with the high school age kids. Teach them there's a better way to solve their problems.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - if dad purchased this gun legally, what type of “gun control” are people looking for that would have prevented this?

Extend the felony murder law to include weapons in a shared household.

If a person under your guardianship and residing in your household kills another person in a public building or grounds (hospital, school, post office, airport, military facility) with your gun, you will be charged with felony murder just like they are.

Yup. Hold the owner accountable.

Locking up the gun buyer/provider for a couple of decades and seeing the victims' families sue the shooter's family for all of their wealth might give the next guy some pause.