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ust as an example, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird have both been widely banned, despite being classics of American Literature with considerable teaching value.

Maus is not remotely on their level.

DP. It wasn't the "right" that banned those books.

Depends on when you are talking about.

Certainly both drew heat from racists/segregationists (Democrats) when they were published.

More recently they have been getting banned by people who don't like their use of a specific word and aspects of how they portray African Americans.

...but that was my point. Book "banning" is not new and is common on both ends of the political spectrum.

Maus is a glorified comic book. I don't particularly have any objections to it but it isn't remotely in the same tier of books as Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird. Those two are both easily top 100 all-time American novels and both have absolutely tremendous teaching value as windows into specific places and times in US history.

You could have an interesting discussion in an advanced class centering around how those books could never be written today for multiple reasons and what that says about American society... though even hosting such a discussion would take you close to forbidden territory given that people have been fired/cancelled for simply saying a word that appears in those books during a discussion of the word's odiousness.

You couldn't have that discussion in Virginia these days as it would be considered "divisive" and would go against the new governor's directives on teaching "divisive" or "objectionable" materials (he has banned the teaching of CRT and has created a tip line for reporting teachers who teach divisive or objectionable material).

Anonymous wrote:Maus is a graphic novel. I wouldn’t even call it literature. It’s for people who are too lazy to actually read. People are acting as if it is the same as the Diary of Anne Frank.

Yeah, those idiots that give out Pulitzer Prizes. What were they thinking?

Illustrations devalue any good words that are next to them, and the fact that the books helps young people engage and understand a complex topic is meaningless because I don't like comics.

/ps that is sarcasm, and yes it is the same as DoAF, but that isn't the point. People should get to decide for themselves. And yes that goes for Mein Kampf also.

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone pointed out that To Kill a Mockingbird has been removed from required reading in a very liberal district?

According to the Seattle Times, the Mukilteo School Board voted unanimously Monday night to remove Harper Lee’s “To Kill a Mockingbird” from the required reading list for ninth graders while still allowing for teachers to choose to teach the classic novel to students.

The board acted after months of discussion among teachers, parents and students, and in reaction to concerns over racism in the classic novel, first published in 1960.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/1/28/22906501/seattle-school-bans-to-kill-a-mockingbird-over-racism-concerns-as-wave-of-book-challenges-continues

I think there a conflation of books in the curriculum vs books in school libraries (i.e. book banning). Whether or not a particular book is to be taught as part of the curriculum can be debatable. I hope all can agree that removing books from libraries is not a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

This is such a weak argument. Schools decide not to include/teach all manner of things because they have judged them to be obscene, inaccurate, etc.

Also, banning books is not "fascism," groups all over the political spectrum have banned books and/or argued against the inclusion of certain books on various grounds.

Answer the question I posed: what was the argument against Maus that you found so compelling in favor of its banning.

I actually don't agree with its "banning," but it doesn't particularly concern me either. This is just another manufactured controversy for people to rant on twitter about.

In light of the GOP’s march to fascism, it should concern you.

Maybe this sounded clever in your head?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

This is such a weak argument. Schools decide not to include/teach all manner of things because they have judged them to be obscene, inaccurate, etc.

Also, banning books is not "fascism," groups all over the political spectrum have banned books and/or argued against the inclusion of certain books on various grounds.

Answer the question I posed: what was the argument against Maus that you found so compelling in favor of its banning.

I actually don't agree with its "banning," but it doesn't particularly concern me either. This is just another manufactured controversy for people to rant on twitter about.

In light of the GOP’s march to fascism, it should concern you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

This is such a weak argument. Schools decide not to include/teach all manner of things because they have judged them to be obscene, inaccurate, etc.

Also, banning books is not "fascism," groups all over the political spectrum have banned books and/or argued against the inclusion of certain books on various grounds.

Answer the question I posed: what was the argument against Maus that you found so compelling in favor of its banning.

I actually don't agree with its "banning," but it doesn't particularly concern me either. This is just another manufactured controversy for people to rant on twitter about.

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ust as an example, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird have both been widely banned, despite being classics of American Literature with considerable teaching value.

Maus is not remotely on their level.

DP. It wasn't the "right" that banned those books.

Depends on when you are talking about.

Certainly both drew heat from racists/segregationists (Democrats) when they were published.

More recently they have been getting banned by people who don't like their use of a specific word and aspects of how they portray African Americans.

...but that was my point. Book "banning" is not new and is common on both ends of the political spectrum.

Maus is a glorified comic book. I don't particularly have any objections to it but it isn't remotely in the same tier of books as Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird. Those two are both easily top 100 all-time American novels and both have absolutely tremendous teaching value as windows into specific places and times in US history.

You could have an interesting discussion in an advanced class centering around how those books could never be written today for multiple reasons and what that says about American society... though even hosting such a discussion would take you close to forbidden territory given that people have been fired/cancelled for simply saying a word that appears in those books during a discussion of the word's odiousness.

I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone pointed out that To Kill a Mockingbird has been removed from required reading in a very liberal district?

According to the Seattle Times, the Mukilteo School Board voted unanimously Monday night to remove Harper Lee’s “To Kill a Mockingbird” from the required reading list for ninth graders while still allowing for teachers to choose to teach the classic novel to students.

The board acted after months of discussion among teachers, parents and students, and in reaction to concerns over racism in the classic novel, first published in 1960.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/1/28/22906501/seattle-school-bans-to-kill-a-mockingbird-over-racism-concerns-as-wave-of-book-challenges-continues

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

This is such a weak argument. Schools decide not to include/teach all manner of things because they have judged them to be obscene, inaccurate, etc.

Also, banning books is not "fascism," groups all over the political spectrum have banned books and/or argued against the inclusion of certain books on various grounds.

Answer the question I posed: what was the argument against Maus that you found so compelling in favor of its banning.

ust as an example, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird have both been widely banned, despite being classics of American Literature with considerable teaching value.

Maus is not remotely on their level.

DP. It wasn't the "right" that banned those books.

Maus is a graphic novel. I wouldn’t even call it literature. It’s for people who are too lazy to actually read. People are acting as if it is the same as the Diary of Anne Frank.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

This is such a weak argument. Schools decide not to include/teach all manner of things because they have judged them to be obscene, inaccurate, etc.

Also, banning books is not "fascism," groups all over the political spectrum have banned books and/or argued against the inclusion of certain books on various grounds.

Just as an example, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird have both been widely banned, despite being classics of American Literature with considerable teaching value.

Maus is not remotely on their level.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

This is such a weak argument. Schools decide not to include/teach all manner of things because they have judged them to be obscene, inaccurate, etc.

Also, banning books is not "fascism," groups all over the political spectrum have banned books and/or argued against the inclusion of certain books on various grounds.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can you tell they're Nazis? WHEN THEY BAN BOOKS ABOUT NAZIS!

Some school board in Tennessee - McMinn County (home of Athens TN, which one of my white ancestors founded 200 years ago, before he got the hell out) has banned one of the greatest graphic novels and best books about the Holocaust - Maus. The vote was 10-0. Not one of those f'in hillbillies got it.

They banned Maus! I can't believe it.

And it was Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I can tell everyone gets their news from twitter rather than actual facts on the ground. People should read up on the Maus in McMinn County "banning." It's much more different than you might expect. I don't agree with the board as I read Maus when I was in middle school but at the same time the board is not what people are accusing them of.

Since you think book banning is acceptable (it’s fascism), what was the argument against Maus that you found compelling? Why was it worthy of banning? On Holocaust Remembrance Day, of all days.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can think about is how dumb these kids will be.

That’s the point. There won’t be more Republican voters if kids are taught to empathize with other people, to understand their stories and to think critically.

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