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Anonymous wrote:So still nobody can point to anything in moco except wearing masks inside.

I think you mean outside? I was at a Chevy Chase playground this afternoon with 4 year old DD and we were almost the only ones not masked. I was rather surprised since at our local playground in a different Bethesda neighborhood, almost no one wears masks outside. And just a mile away everyone was wearing KN95s, which seemed like overkill. And several of the conversations I overheard between other parents (moms) were all about covid and transmission and boosters. They seemed super-anxious. It was like being transported to a year ago.

I flat-out don't believe you.

Do you even live in MoCo, lower MoCo in particular? Because this has pretty much been our experience in Silver Spring as well. It's not universal- there's a playground we tend to go to on the weekend with few masks but at the one we go to on weekdays after school, there are times DC and I are the only ones without masks. Shrug.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally, very liberal areas tend to think of the collective, whereas the red areas are much more about the individual, and "I do what I like as long as it's not illegal".. "don't tread on me".

That's also why very liberal areas tend to have higher tax rates, higher minimum wage, more social welfare, do more things for the poor.

It's a collective mindset vs individual mindset.

BS. Liberals are generally very selfish people who only care about themselves and their kids. The rest is self-righteous performance.

Oh man. Your poor brain. That’s not how reality works at all.

As if you know anything about “reality.”

People are bad at judging risk. There are plenty of studies which show this. It's why they worry more about getting eaten by a shark at the beach than having a car accident on the drive to the beach. Add to this the relentless barrage of anecdotal stories in the media about the outliers who get sick and die from covid or suffer from long covid. People who already worry about this are probably more likely to click on those stories and confirmation bias then further distorts their perception of risk.

I just really don’t want covid in any way shape or form and if I can do a very small, not very bothersome or invasive thing to help make sure that doesn’t happen then I’m happy to do it. I don’t wear them outdoors but I do not go inside of restaurants to eat.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally, very liberal areas tend to think of the collective, whereas the red areas are much more about the individual, and "I do what I like as long as it's not illegal".. "don't tread on me".

That's also why very liberal areas tend to have higher tax rates, higher minimum wage, more social welfare, do more things for the poor.

It's a collective mindset vs individual mindset.

This is laughable.

Why? It's definitely accurate.

Have you ever left your very liberal area ever? You think people in red states don't do anything for their neighbors or to help the poor? Or do whatever they "like as long as it's not illegal?"

Get your nose out of the air.

You have zero idea about anything about me, but I do hold a PhD in American Political Science and specialized in political psych/public opinion. Levels of Individualism are higher among conservative/Republican ideology. Pure and simple.

I guarantee you I grew up in a redder state than you did.

I actually grew up in MoCo. Bethesda.

And I saw the NIMBYism on full display. I saw when a Bethesda church wanted to open its doors to the homeless and open a men's homeless shelter. The uproar from the good neighbors, oh so worried about others, got that shut down very quickly. "Danger to our children!" "Property values will drop!"

I saw the recent crying right here on DCUM about homeless citizens using libraries and how awful that was. Libraries can't reopen after COVID, because the homeless will be in them!

The COVID consciousness on display in MoCo has very little to do with the collective good. It's because they're afraid they or their kids will get COVID. And that's fine, protect yourselves. But don't kid yourself that it's for "social welfare".

Bizarre conclusions. Especially this one from Page 1:

"I’m in MoCo, and will add that this is largely a thing in the more diverse parts of the county. We live in Silver Spring and people walk around outside in masks all the time here. When I take the kids to swim lessons in Rockville, masks are nowhere to be found on people strolling around. So, it’s a very specific kind of virtue-signaling, IMO."

So... (majority) POC... who live in a less affluent, more densely-populated part of the county... and are more likely to have had (among other things) a COVID death in the family... are merely "virtue signaling" by wearing masks more frequently?

Are you... listening to yourself?

It's been said on this board that the most hypervigilant places are Bethesda/CC and SS/TP.

The demographics of those areas are different, but what distinguishes them from almost everywhere else in MoCo is that they are the most urban. We're talking mostly inside the Beltway. Could that possibly be a factor? I mean, really.

I am very COVID cautious (and live in DTSS/TP!) but I agree outdoor masking isn't strictly supported by the science. Of course, IME it can feel weird not to be wearing a mask in a dense outdoor space, of which there are many in... DTSS/TP.

But doing things with good intentions that aren't strictly supported by the science-- that happens in all sorts of ways. Because not everyone is hyperinformed. Some of y'all sound like my 8-year-old, about any number of subjects. "What? Why would people do X?! EVERYBODY knows that blah blah blah." No, not everybody knows.

A lot of people wear masks outside for the same reason a lot of people wear masks that don't cover their noses. They haven't kept up with all of the latest developments. Masks under nose = still helpful in many people's minds because they're still thinking droplets > aerosols. Masks outside = still helpful to many because they haven't been apprised of all the research that suggests being outside is exceptionally lower risk in most cases. Recently a woman in my PTA group was concerned that the uptick in COVID cases at our school is because the kids don't have enough hand sanitizer. So, you know.

Even those who are better-informed might be erring on the side of caution *anyway* because it's a *novel* virus and it's not like we know absolutely everything about it yet. Combine that with life in an urban area-- especially in a zip code like 20910 that has higher case counts-- and you might wear masks outside more often.

There's definitely a political polarization facet to this, but it's not all so-called virtue signaling.

Anonymous wrote:Oh, so the problem is that they are not conservative in exactly the same way as you.

got it.

How ever do you cope?

You mean the difference between reasonable and precautions and excessive caution not based in science?

Oh, so the problem is that they are not conservative in exactly the same way as you.

got it.

How ever do you cope?

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Anonymous wrote:So still nobody can point to anything in moco except wearing masks inside.

I think you mean outside? I was at a Chevy Chase playground this afternoon with 4 year old DD and we were almost the only ones not masked. I was rather surprised since at our local playground in a different Bethesda neighborhood, almost no one wears masks outside. And just a mile away everyone was wearing KN95s, which seemed like overkill. And several of the conversations I overheard between other parents (moms) were all about covid and transmission and boosters. They seemed super-anxious. It was like being transported to a year ago.

I flat-out don't believe you.

Um, okay. It happened. Enjoy your disbelief.

Oh, and if you want proof, head to Leland Park around 3 pm on a weekday and see for yourself.

PP, it’s quite likely that most people are not nearly as motivated as you are to look for “proof” of the mask- wearing habits of complete strangers.
You’re concerned that these strangers are “super-anxious “. The level of your concern seems less than healthy — at best. Perhaps focusing on your own issues might allay your concerns which seem super-obsessive.

NP. Your attempts to pathologize the people who are pointing out the irrationality of your mask wearing habits are cute and not very effective. You do realize that those posters are participating in the same online discussion as you and there is no evidence that they are any more “obsessed” with this issue than you are responding to them?

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I put my mask on if I am on my way somewhere where I will need to wear it. Complaining that I am “virtue signaling” or ignorant seems like the pot calling the kettle black

+1

I tend to forget I have it on. I am sure people see me outdoors with it or whatever. Most of the time I have left a store and forgot I was wearing it. I eat indoors and go about my life, but I don't really notice my mask.

I do not understand people like OP who freak out and panic when they see someone outside with a mask on.

This is how I see it too pp. Sometimes I forget to take the mask off, or have another stop to make. It's not a big deal.

Assume OP must have some untreated anxiety about seeing other people doing something they don't want to do, and feeling less than or lost. Otherwise, I really don't understand.

People can be outside without masks in MoCo, people can eat inside without masks in MoCo. Some people chose to wear masks outside, for reasons others don't know. It's perfectly ok OP. Chill.

NP. Funny, I tend to assume that people wearing masks outdoors have untreated anxiety. People posting on DCUM just have too much time on their hands or a slow and boring day at work.

I will never understand how your mind goes to untreated anxiety if you post on DCUM. Thread after thread after thread people talk about how at this point they just forget their mask or whatever. But you go right to anxiety.

what is up with you?

What’s up with me? I don’t base my assumptions on what I read on DCUM. I actually know people in real life who I know have excessive Covid anxiety and therefore wear masks outdoors.

Maybe they know you are behaving poorly, which puts them at risk, so common sense is when they see you to wear them. Why do you care if someone is being careful and wearing them outdoors. You don't know if they have health issues or at high risk.

No. I see them walking alone in the street wearing them, far away from me or anyone. I see posts on Facebook of them hiking out in the woods masked. Their doing this doesn’t affect me directly, but I do know that the behavior is driven by fear that has to be affecting their kids negatively, and I know that a lot of the policies that did and still do affect many of us negatively, such as school closures and excessive policies around school and kids’ activities, are driven by these types. I only brought this up because the PP demanded I take the word of random anonymous DCUM posters who profess that they only wear masks outdoors because they “forget about them”. No, there is actually evidence that such behavior is an indicator of anxiety in many cases.

Oh, and I am not “behaving poorly”. I don’t travel or dine indoors, I always wear a KN95 in indoor public places (because if I’m going to wear a mask it might as well be effective),I support indoor masking in schools for now, but I will not and have never masked outdoors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally, very liberal areas tend to think of the collective, whereas the red areas are much more about the individual, and "I do what I like as long as it's not illegal".. "don't tread on me".

That's also why very liberal areas tend to have higher tax rates, higher minimum wage, more social welfare, do more things for the poor.

It's a collective mindset vs individual mindset.

BS. Liberals are generally very selfish people who only care about themselves and their kids. The rest is self-righteous performance.

Oh man. Your poor brain. That’s not how reality works at all.

Okay, so all you collective good liberals, what did you do during the entire year of schools being closed to ease the burden on lower socioeconomic families, who had to leave the house to work and had no one to stay with their kids while they were in virtual school? Beside planting a “we believe in science in those house” sign on your front yard?

I'm a liberal who pushed hard for schools to open. That's how you ease the burden.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally, very liberal areas tend to think of the collective, whereas the red areas are much more about the individual, and "I do what I like as long as it's not illegal".. "don't tread on me".

That's also why very liberal areas tend to have higher tax rates, higher minimum wage, more social welfare, do more things for the poor.

It's a collective mindset vs individual mindset.

BS. Liberals are generally very selfish people who only care about themselves and their kids. The rest is self-righteous performance.

Oh man. Your poor brain. That’s not how reality works at all.

Okay, so all you collective good liberals, what did you do during the entire year of schools being closed to ease the burden on lower socioeconomic families, who had to leave the house to work and had no one to stay with their kids while they were in virtual school? Beside planting a “we believe in science in those house” sign on your front yard?

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally, very liberal areas tend to think of the collective, whereas the red areas are much more about the individual, and "I do what I like as long as it's not illegal".. "don't tread on me".

That's also why very liberal areas tend to have higher tax rates, higher minimum wage, more social welfare, do more things for the poor.

It's a collective mindset vs individual mindset.

BS. Liberals are generally very selfish people who only care about themselves and their kids. The rest is self-righteous performance.

yes, that's why the rich liberals vote for liberal politicians who raise their taxes and provide all kinds of social welfare benefits to the poor, irrespective of skin color; they want clean air, water, food just for them, but not for the conservatives; they know how to horde clear air just for themselves.

Yep, liberals only care about their own kids. LOL.. seriously?

I see it as a double edge sword. On one hand it is amazing that Montgomery county has such a high vaccination rate. On the other hand, the mask wearing is for theater. It’s become political and I see t as some people putting on an external show of what side you’re on of the political line. But it’s not necessary because of our high vaccination rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I think generally, very liberal areas tend to think of the collective, whereas the red areas are much more about the individual, and "I do what I like as long as it's not illegal".. "don't tread on me".

That's also why very liberal areas tend to have higher tax rates, higher minimum wage, more social welfare, do more things for the poor.

It's a collective mindset vs individual mindset.

BS. Liberals are generally very selfish people who only care about themselves and their kids. The rest is self-righteous performance.

Oh man. Your poor brain. That’s not how reality works at all.