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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Agree with this post if you had said next 20-30 years.

When the change to electric will happen it will be very fast. Think about how fast people switched to smart phones, it only took a few years.

US electric vehicle market share is 2.5%

Norway electric vehicle market share 10 years ago was 1.6%, today it is over 90%.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?

+1000

When you plug in your smugmobile, where do you think the power comes from? Unicorns?

When you wash your shiny smugwagon, what do you think powered the plants that created the shiny space doors?

When you enjoy “fart mode” in your smugsedan, what do you think is powering the cloud storage for all the tech that lets your car engage in flatulence for your own entertainment?

p.s. I’m an concerned about climate change as anyone, and I try to do my part. But PART of my part is learning what helps and what’s hype. Right now…you fell for the hype, and you’re being smug about being duped.

-1000 to cancel your post.

Your ignorance (and smugness) is showing. Educate yourself about energy and utility scale electricity, read up on legit studies. You are just recycling tired arguments that have very little to do with current reality.

Today, the cheapest source of electricity is solar, owning to a 10 fold decrease in cost over the past decade. New electricity capacity added in 2020 is 50% solar and batteries, 25% wind, 25% gas. We just don't build new coal and nuclear power plants anymore because they are too expensive for generating electricity. There is a renewables revolution afoot and it will only accelerate with the electrification of transportation.

It will take a while to change how the world generates its energy, but electricity will mostly be renewable in 20 years.

For the individual choices, you can literally have 0 emission from your transportation, all with Tesla cars and solar generation and storage. Yes, its not cheap, but if rich people want to pay for it, let them do it and as far as I'm concerned they can be as smug as they like.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

I agree. But to the OP's question; today's gas powered cars benefit from over a century of development and the experience of building hundreds of millions of vehicles. A new Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Kia is pretty amazing and will run for hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance. For the foreseeable future, there will be plenty of places to buy gas and get it fixed. You don't have to learn or adapt to anything new in terms of putting energy (gasoline) into your car.

Today, one can argue the difference in quality and performance between gas and electric models. In five years, it will not be close. All the resources are being poured into electric vehicles.

Bottom line: if you like gas-powered cars, "now" might be the best time to buy!

Most people voting with their money choose Tesla over Lexus or Mercedes. The time to buy a high end gas car has passed.

Really? More Teslas are sold than Lexus or Mercedes? Not even close.

It’s actually a lot closer than you realize. Tesla sells almost as many cars as Mercedes and they have far fewer models to choose from.

For 2020, looks like Tesla actually sold more cars than Mercedes (292,000 vs. 274,000), but Mercedes also sold a bunch of passenger vans. Lexus sold 249,000 cars in 2020, so Tesla is already beating that.

Year to date 2021:
Tesla: 223,000
Mercedes: 254,000
Lexus: 261,000
BMW: 244,000
Audi: 162,000

Tesla usually sells more in the US in the last quarter because of logistics, which is why you'll likely see them pull ahead.

Tesla only sells 4 models, while the others have multiple offerings. Tesla has been around for a decade, the others for a century. For head to head look at similar models:

Tesla Y: 121,000
Audi Q3/5, etron: 83,000
Lexus NX, UX: 65,000
volvo XC40/60: 54,000
Mercedes GLC/A/K: 50,000
BMW X1/2: 19,000

You are right, head to head is not even close.

Hopefully you are also aware that Tesla is the most valuable auto manufacturer in the world. Why do you think that is? Hint: it's the future. I woudnt bet against them.

Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?

+1000

When you plug in your smugmobile, where do you think the power comes from? Unicorns?

When you wash your shiny smugwagon, what do you think powered the plants that created the shiny space doors?

When you enjoy “fart mode” in your smugsedan, what do you think is powering the cloud storage for all the tech that lets your car engage in flatulence for your own entertainment?

p.s. I’m an concerned about climate change as anyone, and I try to do my part. But PART of my part is learning what helps and what’s hype. Right now…you fell for the hype, and you’re being smug about being duped.

Anonymous wrote:I will never buy another gas fueled vehicle. They will be obsolete in the coming decade.

+1. Gas cars feel primitive. And gas stations have always grossed me out, so I hope more gas stations shut down. Such a gross waste of great real estate. Smelly, litter, light pollution, hub for sketchy people, and they're visually ugly.

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Anonymous wrote:I will never buy another gas fueled vehicle. They will be obsolete in the coming decade.

Typical DCUM comment - not everyone can afford a $40K car (minimum) as starting price for electric. Get out of your bubble.

They'll wind up getting significantly cheaper as battery tech improves (and as demand rises).

But for what it's worth, the average price of a new car in the U.S. is now $41,000: https://news.yahoo.com/average-new-car-price-hits-record-41000-130015214.html That makes a $40,000 electric car with a $7,500 tax credit (the current law) or a $12,500 tax credit (what the infrastructure bill is contemplating for EVs made in union factories in the U.S.) much cheaper. If you can afford a new car, you can likely afford a new electric car.

Obviously, there are a lot of people who can't afford new cars, period. And DCUM certainly is a bubble. But EVs aren't really the exclusively luxury good they get made out to be.

Does anyone else feel weird when driving an EV or standing near a charging station? I have test driven several plug in hybrids and a full EV (not a Tesla) and have gotten headaches each time. At first I feel like my brain can't quite connect properly and then the headache starts. I got the same feeling when I parked near a charging station at our local Aldi. It's the strangest thing.

Anonymous wrote:I will never buy another gas fueled vehicle. They will be obsolete in the coming decade.

Typical DCUM comment - not everyone can afford a $40K car (minimum) as starting price for electric. Get out of your bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

I agree. But to the OP's question; today's gas powered cars benefit from over a century of development and the experience of building hundreds of millions of vehicles. A new Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Kia is pretty amazing and will run for hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance. For the foreseeable future, there will be plenty of places to buy gas and get it fixed. You don't have to learn or adapt to anything new in terms of putting energy (gasoline) into your car.

Today, one can argue the difference in quality and performance between gas and electric models. In five years, it will not be close. All the resources are being poured into electric vehicles.

Bottom line: if you like gas-powered cars, "now" might be the best time to buy!

Most people voting with their money choose Tesla over Lexus or Mercedes. The time to buy a high end gas car has passed.

Really? More Teslas are sold than Lexus or Mercedes? Not even close.

It’s actually a lot closer than you realize. Tesla sells almost as many cars as Mercedes and they have far fewer models to choose from.

For 2020, looks like Tesla actually sold more cars than Mercedes (292,000 vs. 274,000), but Mercedes also sold a bunch of passenger vans. Lexus sold 249,000 cars in 2020, so Tesla is already beating that.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

I agree. But to the OP's question; today's gas powered cars benefit from over a century of development and the experience of building hundreds of millions of vehicles. A new Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Kia is pretty amazing and will run for hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance. For the foreseeable future, there will be plenty of places to buy gas and get it fixed. You don't have to learn or adapt to anything new in terms of putting energy (gasoline) into your car.

Today, one can argue the difference in quality and performance between gas and electric models. In five years, it will not be close. All the resources are being poured into electric vehicles.

Bottom line: if you like gas-powered cars, "now" might be the best time to buy!

Most people voting with their money choose Tesla over Lexus or Mercedes. The time to buy a high end gas car has passed.

Really? More Teslas are sold than Lexus or Mercedes? Not even close.

It’s actually a lot closer than you realize. Tesla sells almost as many cars as Mercedes and they have far fewer models to choose from.

Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Agree with this post if you had said next 20-30 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

I agree. But to the OP's question; today's gas powered cars benefit from over a century of development and the experience of building hundreds of millions of vehicles. A new Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Kia is pretty amazing and will run for hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance. For the foreseeable future, there will be plenty of places to buy gas and get it fixed. You don't have to learn or adapt to anything new in terms of putting energy (gasoline) into your car.

Today, one can argue the difference in quality and performance between gas and electric models. In five years, it will not be close. All the resources are being poured into electric vehicles.

Bottom line: if you like gas-powered cars, "now" might be the best time to buy!

Most people voting with their money choose Tesla over Lexus or Mercedes. The time to buy a high end gas car has passed.

Really? More Teslas are sold than Lexus or Mercedes? Not even close.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever the naysayers argue, electric cars will replace the gas cars in the next 5-10 years, that is taking over 50% of the car sales market. Everyone can have their own reasoning, rage anxiety, being fond of noise etc., whatever floats your boat. But the truth is electric cars are better, higher performance and to a degree cheaper (total cost of ownership).

It’s pretty clear where things are going regarding cars. If I were to buy a car today, unless I will hold it for over 10 years, I’d go electric just so it doesn’t depreciate in value considerably.

Virtually all r&d money in the auto industry is in electrification and autonomous driving. No engineering teams are working on the next better gas engine.

I agree. But to the OP's question; today's gas powered cars benefit from over a century of development and the experience of building hundreds of millions of vehicles. A new Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Kia is pretty amazing and will run for hundreds of thousands of miles with basic maintenance. For the foreseeable future, there will be plenty of places to buy gas and get it fixed. You don't have to learn or adapt to anything new in terms of putting energy (gasoline) into your car.

Today, one can argue the difference in quality and performance between gas and electric models. In five years, it will not be close. All the resources are being poured into electric vehicles.

Bottom line: if you like gas-powered cars, "now" might be the best time to buy!

Most people voting with their money choose Tesla over Lexus or Mercedes. The time to buy a high end gas car has passed.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the Macan is superior to Tesla in every way - engineering, driving, handling, interior. I love my Macan. I enjoy driving. I enjoy the sound of a v8. I can afford it. That’s it. It has nothing to do with the environment.

I love the Macan too, but which trim has the v8?

Come on dude, are you taking this post literally? It was only meant for trolling the EV cultists… next thing you’ll say is that he probably can’t even afford a macan, let alone an inexistent v8 version.

Then what, you’ll dare say that macan isn’t superior in ever single way to Tesla? Nah bruh, you have no clue about engineering, driving, handling or interiors bruh!

Anonymous wrote:Because the Macan is superior to Tesla in every way - engineering, driving, handling, interior. I love my Macan. I enjoy driving. I enjoy the sound of a v8. I can afford it. That’s it. It has nothing to do with the environment.

I love the Macan too, but which trim has the v8?