Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 13:58     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:This is true for every club around here except for Arlington, just saying.


I was PP and tried to make that clear above— yes it is a widespread problem. “Every” may be a stretch but for sure many clubs and especially highest levels. Not unique to BSC but this is a BSC thread.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 13:25     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

This is true for every club around here except for Arlington, just saying.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 13:17     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What age does Bethesda move from calling their third girls teams "pre-ecnl" into "blue"?


They seem to change this year to year. U13 i think is the current cutoff unless they change yet again.


The U13 girls for next year coaching slate has the third team as pre-ecnl still


Next year has a u19 pre ecnl team too.
So girls side [older than u8 which is just a pool]
Ecnl 1
EcnlR [for actual.ecnl.ages]/ ECNL2
Pre-Ecnl
Blue [only a couple age groups have a fourth team. Most for next year are three or less.]


Should be "post ECNL." Bugs the heck out of me that the old boys at BSC have driven out the majority of their female coaches. Not that they were all rays of sunshine when they had more, but I hate the "your success as a player relies on earning favor with a mean guy" thing that BSC has going.




Far from unique to BSC but for 24/25 they have zero female ECNL coaches and one female RL coach. Which I believe is the same as this year.

Even at the younger ages they don’t have a female coaching a 1 team next year and only one female has a 2 team. The u10-12 ages combined have a single female coach (who has two 2 teams). That covers 14 teams and hundreds of girls ages 9-12.

Two other female coaches have the bottom u9 teams.

Again this is a much broader problem with girls soccer but the numbers are startling when you break it down at BSC.

I know Arlington is light years ahead in this regard and deserves kudos. Many female coaches including ECNL.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 12:34     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What age does Bethesda move from calling their third girls teams "pre-ecnl" into "blue"?


They seem to change this year to year. U13 i think is the current cutoff unless they change yet again.


The U13 girls for next year coaching slate has the third team as pre-ecnl still


Next year has a u19 pre ecnl team too.
So girls side [older than u8 which is just a pool]
Ecnl 1
EcnlR [for actual.ecnl.ages]/ ECNL2
Pre-Ecnl
Blue [only a couple age groups have a fourth team. Most for next year are three or less.]


Should be "post ECNL." Bugs the heck out of me that the old boys at BSC have driven out the majority of their female coaches. Not that they were all rays of sunshine when they had more, but I hate the "your success as a player relies on earning favor with a mean guy" thing that BSC has going.

Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 12:10     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Drain the Bethesda Swamp. Starts at the top with a leadership group that has enabled and curated an arrogant, toxic, and punitive culture that has put their needs ahead of development.


One can dream. The leadership, the board, and the egotistical male coaches who demean girls and young women should all take a hike. A common theme on any Bethesda post is people defending toxic behavior saying it's just "tough." I'm not sure when tough became synonymous with abusive and it's always sad when I see defensive posts claiming that horrifying anecdotes are just evidence of toughness. A coach can be demanding and difficult, operating at high standards, without obliterating a child's self-esteem and dropping f-bombs on them when they are as young as 11. Hopefully more parents can realize that those things don't have to coexist.


It’s very interesting: if a fully grown adult male yells at a young female in public (sidewalks, shopping mall, etc.), people would immediately intervene and call the police. But if this happens on a Bethesda soccer field, people, including moms, would just completely ignore it.


Kids will be removed from teams and coaches promoted.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 12:09     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Drain the Bethesda Swamp. Starts at the top with a leadership group that has enabled and curated an arrogant, toxic, and punitive culture that has put their needs ahead of development.


One can dream. The leadership, the board, and the egotistical male coaches who demean girls and young women should all take a hike. A common theme on any Bethesda post is people defending toxic behavior saying it's just "tough." I'm not sure when tough became synonymous with abusive and it's always sad when I see defensive posts claiming that horrifying anecdotes are just evidence of toughness. A coach can be demanding and difficult, operating at high standards, without obliterating a child's self-esteem and dropping f-bombs on them when they are as young as 11. Hopefully more parents can realize that those things don't have to coexist.


It’s very interesting: if a fully grown adult male yells at a young female in public (sidewalks, shopping mall, etc.), people would immediately intervene and call the police. But if this happens on a Bethesda soccer field, people, including moms, would just completely ignore it.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 11:53     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

But my kid is national team material, need to take the abuse to get the recommendations for IDs
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 11:49     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:Drain the Bethesda Swamp. Starts at the top with a leadership group that has enabled and curated an arrogant, toxic, and punitive culture that has put their needs ahead of development.


One can dream. The leadership, the board, and the egotistical male coaches who demean girls and young women should all take a hike. A common theme on any Bethesda post is people defending toxic behavior saying it's just "tough." I'm not sure when tough became synonymous with abusive and it's always sad when I see defensive posts claiming that horrifying anecdotes are just evidence of toughness. A coach can be demanding and difficult, operating at high standards, without obliterating a child's self-esteem and dropping f-bombs on them when they are as young as 11. Hopefully more parents can realize that those things don't have to coexist.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 11:42     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

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Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 11:32     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What age does Bethesda move from calling their third girls teams "pre-ecnl" into "blue"?


They seem to change this year to year. U13 i think is the current cutoff unless they change yet again.


The U13 girls for next year coaching slate has the third team as pre-ecnl still


Next year has a u19 pre ecnl team too.
So girls side [older than u8 which is just a pool]
Ecnl 1
EcnlR [for actual.ecnl.ages]/ ECNL2
Pre-Ecnl
Blue [only a couple age groups have a fourth team. Most for next year are three or less.]


Yeah so this seems to yet again be another change from this year. The u13+ third teams were blue this year as far I know, and if you look at what they’re called in EDP and tourneys.

This past year they pushed pre-ECNL to 3 at all the younger ages whereas the year prior it was only some.

And to confuse it more, in some places there are two pre-ECNL u12 teams, the 1st and 3rd, because though BSC will refer to it as ECNL 1 in some places it is pre-ECNL in others, including as it is registered with ECNL. So they have a 3rd team going by the name of the actual team that plays in Pre-ECNL. You almost can’t make up the nonsense of that. Just use a different name for 3!

Leave it to the geniuses at BSC to exploit the ECNL name as much as possible and push it all the way down to the 3rd team and cause confusion.

Someone explain to me what is “pre ecnl” about a 3rd team at u19? Or any age really past u12. They are EDP teams plain and simple. Why use the name once you hit real pre-ecnl at u12 and then have RL teams at u13?
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 11:12     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Drain the Bethesda Swamp. Starts at the top with a leadership group that has enabled and curated an arrogant, toxic, and punitive culture that has put their needs ahead of development.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 10:49     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Yup, U13 boys, 2008-2011 girls too. Not stars but starters so don't let anyone tell you that these players don't matter or were going to be cut etc...
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 10:48     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:There will be more departures cloudy days ahead


U17 MLS Next?
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 08:13     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

There will be more departures cloudy days ahead
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2024 08:02     Subject: Bethesda Soccer Plans

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What age does Bethesda move from calling their third girls teams "pre-ecnl" into "blue"?


They seem to change this year to year. U13 i think is the current cutoff unless they change yet again.


The U13 girls for next year coaching slate has the third team as pre-ecnl still


Next year has a u19 pre ecnl team too.
So girls side [older than u8 which is just a pool]
Ecnl 1
EcnlR [for actual.ecnl.ages]/ ECNL2
Pre-Ecnl
Blue [only a couple age groups have a fourth team. Most for next year are three or less.]