Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:43
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Right, and lying on a college applications is certainly grounds for dismissal from the college. But I think PP was asking whether it is also illegal. What is the civil or criminal statute that could be used to prosecute a kid who lied on the app?
Snicker. Quite a legal mind we have here.
Potentially larceny (of scholarship) and forgery, if this example is any guide. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/education/10yale.html
Lead paragraph: "To Yale admissions officials, Akash Maharaj was an appealing prospect: He had earned straight A’s at Columbia University. Now he wanted to transfer. Yale not only admitted him; it gave him a $32,000 scholarship as well. Since then, however, much of his application information has turned out to be false, Yale said, and he is facing charges in Connecticut of larceny and forgery. According to an affidavit from Yale, although he attended Columbia, the straight A’s were bogus, as was a Columbia recommendation and even one Columbia transcript. And before Columbia, he had attended New York University."
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"Akash Maharaj will serve five years of probation for stealing some $31,000 in Yale financial aid, but he will avoid jail time if he pays the University back in full.
The former Morse College junior, who was kicked out of Yale in the summer of 2007 and arrested the following September for forging his application for admission, was sentenced Friday in New Haven Superior Court following a plea bargain last May."
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2008/09/05/maharaj-sentenced-to-probation-for-defrauding-yale-judge-orders-full-restitution/
So like I said, those kids will be expelled. If their 'positions' on the atheletic teams afforded them any special priviledges, they will repay them and the courts will probably just wave them off. Their parents on the other hand?
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:39
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Right, and lying on a college applications is certainly grounds for dismissal from the college. But I think PP was asking whether it is also illegal. What is the civil or criminal statute that could be used to prosecute a kid who lied on the app?
Snicker. Quite a legal mind we have here.
Potentially larceny (of scholarship) and forgery, if this example is any guide. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/education/10yale.html
Lead paragraph: "To Yale admissions officials, Akash Maharaj was an appealing prospect: He had earned straight A’s at Columbia University. Now he wanted to transfer. Yale not only admitted him; it gave him a $32,000 scholarship as well. Since then, however, much of his application information has turned out to be false, Yale said, and he is facing charges in Connecticut of larceny and forgery. According to an affidavit from Yale, although he attended Columbia, the straight A’s were bogus, as was a Columbia recommendation and even one Columbia transcript. And before Columbia, he had attended New York University."
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:37
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Right, and lying on a college applications is certainly grounds for dismissal from the college. But I think PP was asking whether it is also illegal. What is the civil or criminal statute that could be used to prosecute a kid who lied on the app?
Mail fraud, wire fraud.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:28
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Right, and lying on a college applications is certainly grounds for dismissal from the college. But I think PP was asking whether it is also illegal. What is the civil or criminal statute that could be used to prosecute a kid who lied on the app?
Snicker. Quite a legal mind we have here.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:28
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Right, and lying on a college applications is certainly grounds for dismissal from the college. But I think PP was asking whether it is also illegal. What is the civil or criminal statute that could be used to prosecute a kid who lied on the app?
Every college/university has its own internal review board. They don't need to file criminal charges with the state or feds (though they might) in order to expel a student.
The OP said they didn't do anything illegal, therefore they can stay enrolled at their college/university. And that's just not true. Regardless of the legality of their actions (which is in fact in question), the admissions application was falsified which triggers an automatic review and ability to expel.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:28
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
She has really humiliated herself and her girls. Mother of the year all right.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:27
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.
This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.
Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?
This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.
Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.
But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.
Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.
Come on, you can't seriously be comparing test prepping a student with someone fraudulently impersonating a student to take a test for them?
A test prepping student still needs to bust his ass! Prepping is hard work! How dare you equate that with cheating!
But what about the families that can't afford the prep. I went to one of those free "let me show you how we do this" seminars and it is dirty. Not illegal like this, but dirty. Showing kids every shortcut, what to look for, how to decipher and breakdown each question. Which passages to read, which ones to skip. How many X questions are on each test and how to learn those. The last 3 years trended this way. blah blah blah.
It is an upper hand to those that go to those prep courses. Not to mention the $100/hr tutors that come to your house to find every angle to get you a better score. Even families living her making $100K to $250K have no idea what the rest of the country is like. Maybe you didn't bribe people, but you allowed your child everything they needed. No working during the school year (my kid is "sooooo" busy!) You made sure they got into top private schools and paid for it. You went over all the forms 10X over and made sure your kids applied IB and magnet. You decided where you would live in relation to schools/education. You pushed until they got into the classes they needed for a inflated GPA. You paid for educational camps and clubs. You made their applications "well rounded" with tons of EC's. You have the money to allow the kids to take it multiple times and get tutors/prep between each one to micromanage it into a better score.
I mean even having the time to read to your kid is more than many poor and lower middle class families have time or event the means to do. Handing them activities as kids, money each week for doing nothing is entitlement. I mean how many seniors have never worked a job, but have cars in the school parking lot? Entitlement. YOU just don't see it that way because you have surrounded yourself with similar people.
Many kids can not do EC's because they work 30 hours a week while going to high school full time. This helps keep food on the table for their family. Many could never in a million years get test prep or tutors, let alone a book to help them study on their own. Many go home to no heat or electricity. Many are fosters or homeless. Or basically parentless with drugged out families.
College admissions will never be even be close to even unless they took every kid to a boarding school away from their families (for better or worse) and teach them there. No money given. They apply on their own to colleges. But that will never happen.
So at the very least, they need to stop inflated grades. Stop allowing so many retakes of standardized tests. Stop making EC's such a big deal. Stop allowing donations and legacy to have any merit on a child's worth into a college. And for the love of God, get rid of the ED and ED2 that are also for only the rich. So corrupt.
So, serious question - are you suggesting any of this is wrong?
I make a good living. Not private jet good living, but I do well. HHI is in the mid 6 figures. I am smart, and work hard. Really hard. And yes, I know that a lot of people who work hard and are smart don't do nearly as well as I do. I am also lucky and privileged. I get it. But . . . does that mean I shouldn't give my kid nice things, or things that will help her? She should have to work 30 hours a week, and turn over her earnings to pay for groceries? Should I structure her life so she has the same challenges as homeless kids?
I get that things are not equal. And I am all for this nirvana you describe where everything is exactly equal - she's smart as a whip, and will do as well as any other kid, and better than the vast majority of them. But, that's not the world in which we live. And like it or not, her primary competition for many of these college spots will be kids like her, who have educated parents who care about education and try to help their kids. So I'm not going to deny her things and put her at a disadvantage out of some pie-in-the-sky devotion to perfect justice. I'll give her all the support, encouragement and resources I have available. And I may even spoil her a bit. I won't resort to illegal activity, and we're not in a position to donate buildings to schools, but I'll give her every advantage that I can, and not lose a minute's sleep over it.
Are you suggesting I should act differently?
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:25
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Right, and lying on a college applications is certainly grounds for dismissal from the college. But I think PP was asking whether it is also illegal. What is the civil or criminal statute that could be used to prosecute a kid who lied on the app?
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:25
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Has nobody mentioned yet that the smart guy actually taking the SATs (Mark Riddell) looked just like Collin Jost from SNL?
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:20
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
God, I swear Lori Loughlin and her daughters are the gifts that keep on giving.
She's proud of never being that parent to push her kids. Well, maybe if she had she wouldn't have ended up with dunces.
“You know, I don’t ever do, I never pushed my kids to — I always say, ‘Do the best you can,’” the actress told Page Six in a 2017 interview.
“For my husband too, their dad, never we were never like, ‘At school you got to get straight A’s.’ We were never those parents. We were always like, ‘You know what? Give it your all. Do the best you can ’cause in life if you give it your all and you do the best you can, that’s it. That’s all you can do.’
And that’s enough, in my opinion, especially with kids. I think we’ve put so much pressure and stress on them. A lot of it is unnecessary and I think it’s important to just have downtime, free time. I never over-scheduled my kids. Never. I always gave them plenty of time to just sit in their playroom and, you know, use their imaginations.”
Isabella Rose, her older daughter, agreed with her mom’s sentiments in the video.
She's proud of never being that parent to push her kids. Well, maybe if she had she wouldn't have ended up with dunces.
“You know, I don’t ever do, I never pushed my kids to — I always say, ‘Do the best you can,’” the actress told Page Six in a 2017 interview.
“For my husband too, their dad, never we were never like, ‘At school you got to get straight A’s.’ We were never those parents. We were always like, ‘You know what? Give it your all. Do the best you can ’cause in life if you give it your all and you do the best you can, that’s it. That’s all you can do.’
And that’s enough, in my opinion, especially with kids. I think we’ve put so much pressure and stress on them. A lot of it is unnecessary and I think it’s important to just have downtime, free time. I never over-scheduled my kids. Never. I always gave them plenty of time to just sit in their playroom and, you know, use their imaginations.”
Isabella Rose, her older daughter, agreed with her mom’s sentiments in the video.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:18
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LA person here- Dying that people actually bribed themselves into Loyola!! A high school!!! That’s not even one of the hard ones to get into, I mean how dumb is your kid?!
is loyola part of it? they were a target of parents giving bribes? it has a 50+ acceptance rate!
i don't have a much bad things to say about loyola - I know a lot of sweet girls that went there. But they were out of state from the PACNW. Rich, private school girls with dads in tech.
Not Loyola Marymount University. Loyola High School the all male school run by Jesuits.
I'm wondering if they paid off someone at the school to falsify a transcript or athletic record for a student.
I think they bribed the USC water polo coach by paying the private school tuition for his kids.
From the indictment:
Singer also made private school tuition payments for VAVIC's children - under the guise of a fabricated scholarship - via checks drawn on one of the KWF charitable accounts and sent to the school via U.S. Mail, in exchange for VAVIC's commitment to designate Singer's clients as recruits for the USC water polo team in the future.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:12
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LA person here- Dying that people actually bribed themselves into Loyola!! A high school!!! That’s not even one of the hard ones to get into, I mean how dumb is your kid?!
is loyola part of it? they were a target of parents giving bribes? it has a 50+ acceptance rate!
i don't have a much bad things to say about loyola - I know a lot of sweet girls that went there. But they were out of state from the PACNW. Rich, private school girls with dads in tech.
Not Loyola Marymount University. Loyola High School the all male school run by Jesuits.
I'm wondering if they paid off someone at the school to falsify a transcript or athletic record for a student.
I think they bribed the USC water polo coach by paying the private school tuition for his kids.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:12
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
My guess is all kids will have to go, but the parents will realize you buy your way in legally and there will be plenty of low level colleges happy to help out and offer a spot for a couple million plus tuition.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 17:01
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?
Have you ever applied to college? When you submit your application you literally sign a document stating that your statement and the history of your actions you submitted are truthful.
Those kids are gone and they better hope the colleges/universities don't sue them for false impersonation. The negative publicity alone is costing them funding.
Anonymous
03/13/2019 16:57
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.
They didn't do anything illegal.
They submitted false college applications. Listing sports they didn't play.
Are college applications sworn statements, made out under penalty of perjury?